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Old 02-24-2009, 02:13 AM
 
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Old 02-24-2009, 09:10 AM
 
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Bull****.
 
Old 02-24-2009, 09:43 AM
 
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Atheists don't believe in any gods. None of them.
That is all.
 
Old 02-24-2009, 09:44 AM
 
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I pray to GOD this isn't a serious thread. Heaven KNOWS we don't need any more jokes about atheism, OR religion.

Bless you all for listening...may The Force be with you. Live long and prosper.


HOLY COW !!!...got to run. Time for work...
 
Old 02-24-2009, 09:50 AM
 
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The believer has any of a number of reasons for his or her belief in God including recently fulfilled prophesies hundreds and thousands of years old (See The Book of Daniel, Revelation, Etc.) personal experience and internal witness. The Agnostic makes no claim either way and will admit they simply don't know. But, the Atheist claims that no god(s) or God exists while having not been to every single place and time that such an entity could exist and while assuming human senses are all that would be required to perceive such a being. They also must believe that the order that exists in the physical universe occurs randomly over and over and over. That requires tremendous faith on the part of the non-believer.
 
Old 02-24-2009, 09:52 AM
 
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Not, and no.

...and momonkey...you're dead wrong. We don't go around claiming with absolute authority that a deity does not exist. That would be as asinine as claiming with absolute faith that one DOES exist.
 
Old 02-24-2009, 10:01 AM
 
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So as an atheioust you don't belive anything. You belive that you die and rot away and thats it. you have no soul, nothing? In that case yo don't have any faith? Right? i
If being an atheist means that you don't believe in god, but still believe in "something" else. Then, I believe that is just as much faith as any religion.
By your logic, you have faith that Santa Claus doesn't exist. There is no evidence for a god, just like Santa Claus. Don't try to create a double standard. If there is no evidence for the existence of something, dismissing the idea of it requires no faith at all.
 
Old 02-24-2009, 10:03 AM
 
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Atheists don't believe in any gods. None of them.
That is all.
You're missing the point. It takes a lot of faith to not believe in a Creator of order when so much order is present. You also have to believe that you, a mere human, would necessarily have the ability to perceive God with your human abilities. That is a huge leap of faith. If you were present at the very first nanoseconds of the Big Bang what would you understand with your human perception about what was taking place? So, yes, it does take a tremendous amount of faith to dismiss the concept of an intelligent Creator.
 
Old 02-24-2009, 10:06 AM
 
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You're missing the point. It takes a lot of faith to not believe in a Creator of order when so much order is present. You also have to believe that you, a mere human, would necessarily have the ability to perceive God with your human abilities. That is a huge leap of faith. If you were present at the very first nanoseconds of the Big Bang what would you understand with your human perception about what was taking place? So, yes, it does take a tremendous amount of faith to dismiss the concept of an intelligent Creator.
Repeating it enough times doesn't make it true. Without evidence, dismissing anything requires no faith at all.
 
Old 02-24-2009, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Montrose, CA
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You're missing the point. It takes a lot of faith to not believe in a Creator of order when so much order is present. You also have to believe that you, a mere human, would necessarily have the ability to perceive God with your human abilities. That is a huge leap of faith. If you were present at the very first nanoseconds of the Big Bang what would you understand with your human perception about what was taking place? So, yes, it does take a tremendous amount of faith to dismiss the concept of an intelligent Creator.
You're taking the failings of god-believers and putting them onto atheists. We simply don't believe in the existence of any deities, period. It does not take FAITH to have no belief.
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