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Does Pelosi alone have the ability to determine exactly what is in a bill and what isn't? She made a promise. Some think she didn't keep it. That is debatable. That is not the same as blatantly lying.
YOU ARE RIGHT! Republicans are just as bad and in many cases worse.
This thread is not about earmarks thought..
IT IS ABOUT BLATANT LIES AND THE WILLINGNESS FOR PEOPLE TO ACCEPT IT WITHOUT COMMENT OR CONCERN
But it is about earmarks, and both parties need to be held responsible. Pelosi lied for sure, but IMO we need to clean house with both parties. They are all a bunch of scumbags.
Does Pelosi alone have the ability to determine exactly what is in a bill and what isn't? She made a promise. Some think she didn't keep it. That is debatable. That is not the same as blatantly lying.
She wrote the bill...... Come on guys... Don't accept this anymore... Not from those you dislike or from those you like...
But it is about earmarks, and both parties need to be held responsible. Pelosi lied for sure, but IMO we need to clean house with both parties. They are all a bunch of scumbags.
No, it's not about earmarks.. I'm the original poster who started the thread.. It's about lies and deceipt.. BLATANT deception of the American People and their increasing willingness to accept it...
Earmarks are a symptom. They do need to be addressed and ANYONE who is using them needs to be called on it.. We DO need to clean house with both parties....
There are no earmarks at all in the so-called stimulus bill. Earmarks are defined by the process by which they get into an appropriations bill. They bypass the normal committee mark-up, hearings, and amendment procedures, instead being inserted at the request of usually one, but sometimes two or more members. Every dime in the stimulus bill went through the normal committee mark-up and amendment process.
People (deliberately) conflate that definition with the idea that money appropriated to any particular purpose is "earmaked " to that purpose. This is not incorrect per se, but using an alternate definition of a word rather than the definition that is pertinent to the point in question is an example of a fallacy of equivocation.
This is a blatant lie. Dozens of people worked on the House bill, and many more on the Senate version. The two bills as amended in the respective houses were then reconciled into the conference version which is what ultimately passed. If you're going to be all out of joint over someone supposedly lying, how be you don't lie about it...
First, this change in the law cost nothing. Zero. Nada. If it cost nothing, is it an "earmark?"
Second:
"The economic impacts of this technical correction will be felt nationwide, according to MIASF. Many marine industry jobs were being lost to international competition in the Caribbean, Mexico and Canada. This relief will save small businesses on average over $100K annually, which will allow the businesses to insure their workers under the state comp system and retain and create American jobs, the association reported." Longshore relief awaiting President Obama's signature
Sounds like a good, pro-business change in the law. Sounds like government getting out of the way of small business by dropping an insurance requirement. Sounds, uh, conservative.
Then why only bless only these very few boat builders who just so happen to be located in her district? Also-this is a STIMULUS bill. This is not stimulative.
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They are also two of the most densely populated states, where mass transit is necessary for an efficient economy. So anything spent in a blue state is an "earmark" or "pork?"
I can almost guarantee that the bulk of this money won't get spent for YEARS. This is a stimulus bill. It should stimulate the economy TODAY, not in a few years.
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Again, these are one-line talking points. Is there something specific in these parts of the bills that is wasteful? Can you point to some sort of actual quid pro quo?
What makes them one line talking points? You asked for a few examples and I gave them to you. They are not the only examples, just a few.
Is dismissing them as talking points the best you can do to refute them?
You may not like them but these are earmarks. They are put into the stimulus bill. They do not qualify as stimulative to the economy. They benefit a very small, narrowly defined constituency.
Yes-it is wasteful to be providing benefits to WWII veterans of a particular ethnicity. I can't point to a quid pro quo, but that doesn't mean they're not wasteful pork barrel spending. How is it stimulative? It's just welfare for Senator Inouye of Hawaii's constituency.
The biofuels amendment is expected to benefit Iowa disproportionately. Why not prop up the scrapbooking industry? Or the grass seed industry?
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If the money for biofuels is more money spent on ethanol, I'd agree that's wasteful. However, I am not going to do the research for all the conservative naysayers out there. Do you even have a link to a story about the biofuels part of the legislation? Or any part? Anything?
Take a look at the breakdown of where the money is being spent. Some of it is clearly not stimulative. A stimulus bill needs to be stimulative or it is not a stimulus bill (duh).
Is there anyone on this forum that can specifically point out in detail how any of the stimulus money is "pork" or "earmarks?" If it's an earmark, who slipped it into the bill, and how does it benefit that congressperson?
It doesn't matter what we say. No matter what we say you will find a way to dismiss it.
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