Most Americans Favor Making It Easier To Join Union (Congress, wages, illegal)

[padcrasher]

There may be hope for us afterall. Workers standing up for themselves after thirty years of right wing ideology saying it's wrong.

Majority Receptive to Law Making Union Organizing Easier

[migee]

Originally Posted by padcrasher

There may be hope for us afterall. Workers standing up for themselves after thirty years of right wing ideology saying it's wrong.

Majority Receptive to Law Making Union Organizing Easier

Don't celebrate too prematurely.

I've had years of work experience, many with unions. There are some good, and some bad. And, when they are bad, they are very bad.

The biggest problem with many unions is that they are simply either part of organized crime, or are simply organized criminals in their own right. And, anyone that has been part of a bad union knows what I am talking about.

Like everything else in our world, if congress makes it easier to organize unions in workplaces, the crooks and criminals will be the first in line.

Also, "featherbedding" and unreasonable work demands will be the attractions that the unions will use to compete against each other. And that will destroy many companies and industries.

The worst part will be the thugs that the unions will be using on the picket lines, to antagonize workers. Anyone that has experienced a workplace fight to unionize knows what I am talking about.

Again, unions can be good, when they are good unions - But, they can be nightmares when they are bad unions.

Speak to some of the older retired workers from some of the larger national unions - Ask them about what they are getting in their retirement. Some stories that you hear will not have such happy endings.

[padcrasher]

And companies that don't have any unions can be downright illegal, mean, and mistreatful of their workers?

So really what do we make out of the fact that people in authority, both unions and companies, abuse their positions?

[jimw144]

Originally Posted by migee

Don't celebrate too prematurely.

I've had years of work experience, many with unions. There are some good, and some bad. And, when they are bad, they are very bad.

The biggest problem with many unions is that they are simply either part of organized crime, or are simply organized criminals in their own right. And, anyone that has been part of a bad union knows what I am talking about.

Like everything else in our world, if congress makes it easier to organize unions in workplaces, the crooks and criminals will be the first in line.

Also, "featherbedding" and unreasonable work demands will be the attractions that the unions will use to compete against each other. And that will destroy many companies and industries.

The worst part will be the thugs that the unions will be using on the picket lines, to antagonize workers. Anyone that has experienced a workplace fight to unionize knows what I am talking about.

Again, unions can be good, when they are good unions - But, they can be nightmares when they are bad unions.

Speak to some of the older retired workers from some of the larger national unions - Ask them about what they are getting in their retirement. Some stories that you hear will not have such happy endings.

Congradulations you have managed to hit every single stereotype that the right wing has spewed over the last 30 years. Wow you did all in one post amazing.

[FinkieMcGee]

Originally Posted by padcrasher

And companies that don't have any unions can be downright illegal, mean, and mistreatful of their workers?

So really what do we make out of the fact that people in authority, both unions and companies, abuse their positions?

Exactly, there need to be checks against both capital and labor. It's kind of insane to put all the power in the hands of people that seek profit exclusively.

It's not like there aren't bad companies (unless you think the tooth fairy gave us our current economic crisis).

[Toyman at Jewel Lake]

Can someone explain what is wrong with secret ballots? Cardcheck allows intimidation and coercian to take place in the course of organizing. When Mario and Bubba come around asking you to sign...even when the threat of violence isn't outright, intimidation occurs. I have no issues with unions if someone actually wants a union to represent them. In many cases unions encourage a level of professionalism in the field and offer education and apprenticeship programs. What is an issue are closed shops, where union rep is mandatory, and abuse of power to "encourage" membership.

[bluskyz]

IMO any voice is much better than no voice at all. For a long time many haven't had a sound in the dark! I agree that unions need to do a better job--in many ways they have--but like all organizations improvements are still needed.

Of course the unions in the past had some criminal element (they may well have needed some) but that doesn't mean they still do.
Those that keep abreast of current events knows that organized crime is now the forte of white-collar malfeasance or it's cousin 'because I can'. Is this more acceptable than crime of another vintage?

Over the last twenty-five yrs. median family income has risen by 18% while the income of the top 1% has gone up by 200%.

[Who?Me?!]

Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake

Can someone explain what is wrong with secret ballots? Cardcheck allows intimidation and coercian to take place in the course of organizing. When Mario and Bubba come around asking you to sign...even when the threat of violence isn't outright, intimidation occurs. I have no issues with unions if someone actually wants a union to represent them. In many cases unions encourage a level of professionalism in the field and offer education and apprenticeship programs. What is an issue are closed shops, where union rep is mandatory, and abuse of power to "encourage" membership.

With the new law workers will have a CHOICE of secret ballots or not. Why do you use such old -fashioned stereotypical names?.....I have had union reps named Lorriane, Tom, and Liu.
And they wouldn't need secret ballots at all if employers didn't punish pro-union workers.

Abuse of power comes from employers,too, and without a union , workers have NO protection.

And : Unions are only as good as their members....if members don't get involved....like banking regulators didn't get involved, then bad things can happen.


Companies that treat their workers with respect, fairly, and reward them with good wages,don't have much to worry about from unions.

[padcrasher]

Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake

Can someone explain what is wrong with secret ballots? Cardcheck allows intimidation and coercian to take place in the course of organizing. When Mario and Bubba come around asking you to sign...even when the threat of violence isn't outright, intimidation occurs. I have no issues with unions if someone actually wants a union to represent them. In many cases unions encourage a level of professionalism in the field and offer education and apprenticeship programs. What is an issue are closed shops, where union rep is mandatory, and abuse of power to "encourage" membership.

Whatever union intimidation you are talking about is no less real than what employers do to discourage workers from joining unions...They flat out fire people for promoting unions and create some false reason.

Also this whole union intimidation thing is bogus...this isn't a gangster movie..LOl...These people look like everyday people except older and more out of shape...LOL

[DC at the Ridge]

Originally Posted by Who?Me?!

With the new law workers will have a CHOICE of secret ballots or not. Why do you use such old -fashioned stereotypical names?.....I have had union reps named Lorriane, Tom, and Liu.
And they wouldn't need secret ballots at all if employers didn't punish pro-union workers.

Abuse of power comes from employers,too, and without a union , workers have NO protection.

And : Unions are only as good as their members....if members don't get involved....like banking regulators didn't get involved, then bad things can happen.


Companies that treat their workers with respect, fairly, and reward them with good wages,don't have much to worry about from unions.

You must be reading a different bill than I am. The workers get the choice of a secret ballot--not! The union can option for a secret ballot vote. Not the employer, not the workers. And really, why would a union opt for a secret ballot. They've been trying to get rid of unionization elections for decades.

Per the article, the majority of people who've read this bill, and are tracking it closely are opposed to it. Because it's not about employee free choice at all.