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Unfortunately I think it's not about demand.. it's about how we as a society "value" things.. and it's a little out of whack if you ask me.
It's got absolutely nothing to do with how we value things. People choose careers based on what they're good at and what's important to them. If someone wants to earn a ton of money, and is willing to put their mind to it, they can go to school for many years and become a radiologist. If they're extraordinarily good at sports, and someone is willing to pay to watch them play, they can be a professional athlete.
If someone is truly driven to make a difference in the community and save others' lives, they can become a cop or firefighter. They do that because they love it. Not because they're out for tons of cash. People want different things in life.
There's no shame in making a VERY good living, if you've busted your tail to get there. And there's no shame in squeaking by, if you're doing something you love.
Life isn't fair. Ever. You can do whatever you want in this life if you're willing to work for it. Those who say they can't because the system is rigged against them are just complainers by nature, and the world needs burger flippers too.
Hell...we've got a black president with absolutely no experience or qualifications. The world can't be THAT unfair.
Waaa Waaa Frakkin' Waaaaaaaa. You want more money, get a Waaaambulance. A lawyer is sure to follow.
You want the big bucks, get yer butt out there and work for it like most others have done. Sacrifice, be in the right place at the right time. If it doesn't work for you then yes, life is not fair. For you. Too bad. Try moving to Venezuela.
Meh.
Uhm....excuse me. Are you lacking in reading comprehension skills? This thread isn't about MY income. This thread is about the inequities in compensation from vocation to vocation. I didn't come on here to whine and rant about what I do or do not earn.
JUST HOW IS it that you think somebody who goes to medical school for 8 years, then toughs out 2 years of residency, then takes on all the RISK and stress of providing medical care to people, has worked any less hard than Oprah Winfrey, or Tom Cruise, or a supermodel?
I think you need to learn the definition of "work" and "sacrifice". This thread is about all those who work very hard, sacrifice, even put their lives on the line, and yet are not compensated in the same way as somebody who playacts on a movie set, with free massages and catering, or struts down a runway in high heels.
This thread is about society's warped sense of values, and the dilemma of trying to create some sort of just compensation (without becoming a socialistic government-run economy).
It's got absolutely nothing to do with how we value things. People choose careers based on what they're good at and what's important to them. If someone wants to earn a ton of money, and is willing to put their mind to it, they can go to school for many years and become a radiologist. If they're extraordinarily good at sports, and someone is willing to pay to watch them play, they can be a professional athlete.
If someone is truly driven to make a difference in the community and save others' lives, they can become a cop or firefighter. They do that because they love it. Not because they're out for tons of cash. People want different things in life.
There's no shame in making a VERY good living, if you've busted your tail to get there. And there's no shame in squeaking by, if you're doing something you love.
Life isn't fair. Ever. You can do whatever you want in this life if you're willing to work for it. Those who say they can't because the system is rigged against them are just complainers by nature, and the world needs burger flippers too.
Hell...we've got a black president with absolutely no experience or qualifications. The world can't be THAT unfair.
There is nothing wrong with doing what you love and loving what you do. What al ot of peopel don't understand is tht someone who is making millions isn't a better human being based on what they make.
I know life isn't fair.. but we have to stop valueing the worthiness of a person based on their wallet size. A human is a human wether they are a check out girl or a CEO. If the person that is checking groceries is happy being a girl in a grocery store, than let them be that. But, does that mean that that person doesn't deserve to be treated for an illness, say , if she gets sick if that job as a check out girl can't pay for those meds.
We need the people that scrub toilets and do menial work just as much as we need those that make millions hitting a baseball or moving money around Wall Street. A persons worth should be based on more than a dollar amount.
i'm not saying you said anything otherwise to what Im' saying.. I'm just saying it.
You're the one bringing attention to a person's worth being how much they make, by complaining about it.
Most people don't assume that someone is worth less because they make less. The wealthy know they're fortunate, but they busted their tail to get there.
This post was started by someone with class envy. THEY'RE the ones putting a price on people.
Unfortunately I think it's not about demand.. it's about how we as a society "value" things.. and it's a little out of whack if you ask me.
You have hit the nail on the head. We, as a society, have given more value to those who "entertain" us.....distract us from our lives...than we give to those who teach us, keep us safe, or even save our lives. We give lip service to how important the family is....how valuable our children our, etc.etc. But we scream to high heaven if teachers make more than they made 30 years ago, cut police and fire services rather than see an increase in taxes, and make it darn near impossible for children to have a stay at home parent without the family being forced into abject poverty. Our response..."don't have kids if you can't afford them." even if that means only the very wealthy could ever afford to have a family. It is all upside down and hypocritical. Everytime I hear someone talk about "family values" one minute and complain about teachers wanting to earn a living wage the next I just roll my eyes.
Uhm....excuse me. Are you lacking in reading comprehension skills? This thread isn't about MY income. This thread is about the inequities in compensation from vocation to vocation. I didn't come on here to whine and rant about what I do or do not earn.
JUST HOW IS it that you think somebody who goes to medical school for 8 years, then toughs out 2 years of residency, then takes on all the RISK and stress of providing medical care to people, has worked any less hard than Oprah Winfrey, or Tom Cruise, or a supermodel?
I think you need to learn the definition of "work" and "sacrifice". This thread is about all those who work very hard, sacrifice, even put their lives on the line, and yet are not compensated in the same way as somebody who playacts on a movie set, with free massages and catering, or struts down a runway in high heels.
This thread is about society's warped sense of values, and the dilemma of trying to create some sort of just compensation (without becoming a socialistic government-run economy).
Ya know,
In my city you'd be very desireable. There is a high demand for someone like you, with your dedication and education. You'd live well above average in this community. This is a city with about 40,000 people.
You'd have beaches, waterfall hiking and mountain biking in the summer, snowshoeing and skiing in the winter. And all of the benefits of living in a "cool" city.
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That's what my mom always says whenever I complain that life isn't fair.
But what, really is the answer? I mean, is it really fair that somebody like Oprah Winfrey can be a billionaire, when she doesn't really do anything hard (come on...she goes to "hair and makeup" and then sits and gabs in front of an audience for an hour a day)....but then a firefighter makes $40K a year for risking his/her life putting out fires, or a cop risks his/her life protecting citizens...or, for heaven's sake, a soldier puts his/her life on the line defending our country.
But how do you right such a wrong? I don't believe communism or socialism is the answer. But something needs to be done. There is a terrible injustice and inequity in the way people are compensated for the work and contributions given to American society. Tom Cruise earns $20 Million per picture, but an emergency room nurse only gets $25/hour to help save a person's life??
I'm told a runway model can earn upwards of $10,000 a day. But a kindergarten teacher earns approx. $120 a day. But whose work is more important?
When Obama says he wants to "redistribute the wealth in this country" I can kind of understand his sentiments. It's scary as heck, but at the same time, there is a lot of validity to it.
This is capitalism and the free market at work and, in theory, it seems great. But in practice, it really fails a lot of people. I loathe the idea of a government-controlled economy, but I'm also tired of the pathetic rich in this country living so much better than so many people who work so much harder and contribute so much more to society.
Yes nurses, policemen, firefighter, teachers, etc all play critical roles in our society versus folks such as Oprah, runway models and other entertainment folks. But, public school teachers, policemen & firefighters are all public servants and they get paid through tax dollars. In other words, we are the ones paying their salaries. How much do you feel that your taxes should be raised in order to compensate them fairly?
As a Hollywood film critic once wrote, (in commenting on the overwhelming presence of sex, violence, meanness, crudity, anger and rage in MOST movies), "that may be BAD, but that's what sells; and nobody is EVER going to make a blockbuster box-office hit titled 'The Village of the Happy, Contented, Monogamous People'....it just won't happen.
Well, yes it did... Love Story
Though it turned out rather badly, it was a big sap sucker hit.
That's what my mom always says whenever I complain that life isn't fair.
But what, really is the answer? I mean, is it really fair that somebody like Oprah Winfrey can be a billionaire, when she doesn't really do anything hard (come on...she goes to "hair and makeup" and then sits and gabs in front of an audience for an hour a day)....but then a firefighter makes $40K a year for risking his/her life putting out fires, or a cop risks his/her life protecting citizens...or, for heaven's sake, a soldier puts his/her life on the line defending our country.
But how do you right such a wrong? I don't believe communism or socialism is the answer. But something needs to be done. There is a terrible injustice and inequity in the way people are compensated for the work and contributions given to American society. Tom Cruise earns $20 Million per picture, but an emergency room nurse only gets $25/hour to help save a person's life??
I'm told a runway model can earn upwards of $10,000 a day. But a kindergarten teacher earns approx. $120 a day. But whose work is more important?
When Obama says he wants to "redistribute the wealth in this country" I can kind of understand his sentiments. It's scary as heck, but at the same time, there is a lot of validity to it.
This is capitalism and the free market at work and, in theory, it seems great. But in practice, it really fails a lot of people. I loathe the idea of a government-controlled economy, but I'm also tired of the pathetic rich in this country living so much better than so many people who work so much harder and contribute so much more to society.
I agree that entertainers, athletes, and corporate execs make too much money (I think Oprah does do actual work, though). I feel like we tried the deregulated free market, and this is what it got us. Some greedy people ruined it for the rest of us, and now government has to step in to fix it and help to even things out. If some people hadn't screwed it up in the first place, we wouldn't need to redistribute the wealth! If the greedy CEO's had paid themselves less and their workers more, we might not be in this mess, or at least not so deep in it. The middle class wouldn't need a tax break if they'd been fairly compensated in the first place!
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