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Old 03-26-2009, 03:22 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Old 03-26-2009, 03:41 PM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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I see similar things going on in my neck of the woods. I do believe it has mostly to do with revenue generation.
Had to go to court with a friend one day a few months back, the judge called in sick, and we all had to wait outside the door for about an hour til the replacement got there...Plenty of deputy's just inside the locked door keeping an eye on goings on while some us discussed the silly things we were there for. In the meantime, an obviously vagrant, homeless soul, talking to himself came up and started rooting thru the rubbish can just outside the door. He waved to the deputy's inside, they waved back. He fished a filthy cup out of the trash can, and poured the contents of a bottle of apple juice into it and drank it. He then proceeded about fifty feet up the sidewalk, pulled three newstands away from the wall of the county courthouse, and laid down to take a nap on the sidewalk between them and the wall....nobody bothered him, neither citizen, nor the dozen or so deputies within easy view.....
The point?..obviously there is a law, perhaps several being violated at this point, but the man OBVIOUSLY has no $$$$$. Therefore, there is nothing to be gained by arresting him, So he is left alone. The rest of us are fair game for a shakedown......

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Old 03-26-2009, 04:24 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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It's also about control to a degree as well besides just revenue: the government can't control the law abiding, they have no power over such people. They only have power over criminals. So make everyone a criminal. Then these minor infractions today are someday felonies even...
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Old 03-26-2009, 04:26 PM
 
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Is it true that one in fifteen Americans are currently in jail?
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Old 03-26-2009, 04:33 PM
 
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It's also about control to a degree as well besides just revenue: the government can't control the law abiding, they have no power over such people. They only have power over criminals. So make everyone a criminal. Then these minor infractions today are someday felonies even...
The worst part is even cops don't want to be enforcing this crappioca. Ask your local politician why they're being instructed as such. Cops in NYC hated Guiliani for a very good reason, and it had much less to do with union contracts than the perversion of law.

I'm glad you posted this article. These kinds of abuses of due process are in and of themselves illegal and need challenging. Unfortunately the only recourse people have is to litigate, further exacerbating the squandering of resources. This system needs a healthy influence of correction, not the destructive kind that ordinary citizens are forced into as final solution.
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Old 03-26-2009, 04:40 PM
 
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The worst part is even cops don't want to be enforcing this crappioca. Ask your local politician why they're being instructed as such. Cops in NYC hated Guiliani for a very good reason, and it had much less to do with union contracts than the perversion of law.

I'm glad you posted this article. These kinds of abuses of due process are in and of themselves illegal and need challenging. Unfortunately the only recourse people have is to litigate, further exacerbating the squandering of resources. This system needs a healthy influence of correction, not the destructive kind that ordinary citizens are forced into as final solution.
The entire "justice" system is at a fault too. I've seen too many cases where the accused aren't allowed to present evidence that would defeat the charges (the Hollis Wayne Fincher case comes to mind, the jury was taken out of the courtroom while he gave his testimony before the judge, who refused to allow it in the case afterwards, and he wasn't allowed to argue the constitutionality of the law), the prosecution tends to pile up the charges (when the original reason is often quite minor) to scare people into plea bargains to avoid the risk of spending much of their life in prison, and many judges won't even allow mention of jury nullification (which if used would be effective at stopping these laws run amok).

I'll be glad when I'm in the middle of nowhere 4 hours from the nearest police. They'd have to work hard to screw me up like these other victims of government.
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Old 03-26-2009, 04:46 PM
 
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Is it true that one in fifteen Americans are currently in jail?
Its about 1 out of 100
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Old 03-26-2009, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Is it true that one in fifteen Americans are currently in jail?
No. According to the USDOJ, it's roughly one in two hundred.

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Old 03-26-2009, 04:51 PM
 
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1 in 15 Black men are in prison (1 in 9 for those ages 20 to 34). Overall average is 1 in 100, but there's a lot of variation by location...I imagine far more in places like NYC than in some other places.

More than 1 in 100 U.S. adults are in prison - International Herald Tribune
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Old 03-26-2009, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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