The end of California (Al Gore, Obama, how much, Denver)

[Repubocrat]

What is wrong with the people of this state? I just heard that they are proposing a ban on HDTV's starting in 2011. A few days ago, I heard the news about banning black cars and I thought it was a joke at first. This is the perfect example of how irrational, stupid, utopic and insane Liberalism is.

[Bostonian123]

Al Gore is a hippocrat if he doesn't move out of his mansion and into a one room shack out in the woods to lower his carbon footprint.

[denverian]

Sounds like a great idea regarding the TVs. What they're going to do is force the TV makers to make them more energy efficient, thereby saving consumers money:

"The program's 2013 second stage promises to reduce energy use by 49%. If they are enforced, the new standards are expected to save Californians between $18 and $30 a year per TV set in energy costs. As noted by the Commission, current LCDs use about .27-watts per square inch and plasmas use 0.36-watts per square inch.
This isn't the first time Government has stepped in to regulate the energy efficiency in a gadget. More than thirty years ago, regulations on always-on refrigerators were passed and were first seen by companies as oppressive. Those companies eventually adapted and the result was a more efficient product. Similar acts have managed the energy needs of air conditioners and other gadgets. "

Nothing new or unusual going on here. You see, big corporations never have the consumer's interest in mind, only their money. That's why we have government - to protect us from corporations, whose only bottom line is profit. If the government hadn't stepped in and forced companies to build more efficient refrigerators, air conditioners, cars, etc., can you imagine where we'd be today?

[booker_one]

Originally Posted by denverian

Sounds like a great idea regarding the TVs. What they're going to do is force the TV makers to make them more energy efficient, thereby saving consumers money:

"The program's 2013 second stage promises to reduce energy use by 49%. If they are enforced, the new standards are expected to save Californians between $18 and $30 a year per TV set in energy costs. As noted by the Commission, current LCDs use about .27-watts per square inch and plasmas use 0.36-watts per square inch.
This isn't the first time Government has stepped in to regulate the energy efficiency in a gadget. More than thirty years ago, regulations on always-on refrigerators were passed and were first seen by companies as oppressive. Those companies eventually adapted and the result was a more efficient product. Similar acts have managed the energy needs of air conditioners and other gadgets. "

Nothing new or unusual going on here. You see, big corporations never have the consumer's interest in mind, only their money. That's why we have government - to protect us from corporations, whose only bottom line is profit. If the government hadn't stepped in and forced companies to build more efficient refrigerators, air conditioners, cars, etc., can you imagine where we'd be today?

you can't be serious about it being a great idea!!!

[BigJon3475]

Now the government is going to micro manage it's people and businesses. Obama thinks he is the CEO of everything. You'd think the socialist would understand this is the direct result of "spreading the wealth". Leave the money in the state that made it and they can pay their bills, ship it out to other states that couldn't raise it on their own or are inefficient.

[sacredgrooves]

So they will save a whopping $1-2 a month, but how much extra will the new tv cost when they pass along the R&D expense it takes to create it? If the government never stepped in, the aforementioned products would probably be cheaper for us to buy. The government was created to handle our infrastructure and security, not get involved in petty business.

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by denverian

Sounds like a great idea regarding the TVs. What they're going to do is force the TV makers to make them more energy efficient, thereby saving consumers money:

"The program's 2013 second stage promises to reduce energy use by 49%. If they are enforced, the new standards are expected to save Californians between $18 and $30 a year per TV set in energy costs. As noted by the Commission, current LCDs use about .27-watts per square inch and plasmas use 0.36-watts per square inch.
This isn't the first time Government has stepped in to regulate the energy efficiency in a gadget. More than thirty years ago, regulations on always-on refrigerators were passed and were first seen by companies as oppressive. Those companies eventually adapted and the result was a more efficient product. Similar acts have managed the energy needs of air conditioners and other gadgets. "

Nothing new or unusual going on here. You see, big corporations never have the consumer's interest in mind, only their money. That's why we have government - to protect us from corporations, whose only bottom line is profit. If the government hadn't stepped in and forced companies to build more efficient refrigerators, air conditioners, cars, etc., can you imagine where we'd be today?

That'll go good with the $3600 in new taxes on energy per household...

[Moose Whisperer]

Amazing. In a few years, I'm sure the residents of Ca will simply be reduced to staring at CFL bulb for 4 hours a day.

[denverian]

Originally Posted by booker_one

you can't be serious about it being a great idea!!!

Why wouldn't I be serious? If my electric bill can be lowered, what's the problem?

[Miborn]

Originally Posted by denverian

Sounds like a great idea regarding the TVs. What they're going to do is force the TV makers to make them more energy efficient, thereby saving consumers money:

"The program's 2013 second stage promises to reduce energy use by 49%. If they are enforced, the new standards are expected to save Californians between $18 and $30 a year per TV set in energy costs. As noted by the Commission, current LCDs use about .27-watts per square inch and plasmas use 0.36-watts per square inch.
This isn't the first time Government has stepped in to regulate the energy efficiency in a gadget. More than thirty years ago, regulations on always-on refrigerators were passed and were first seen by companies as oppressive. Those companies eventually adapted and the result was a more efficient product. Similar acts have managed the energy needs of air conditioners and other gadgets. "

Nothing new or unusual going on here. You see, big corporations never have the consumer's interest in mind, only their money. That's why we have government - to protect us from corporations, whose only bottom line is profit. If the government hadn't stepped in and forced companies to build more efficient refrigerators, air conditioners, cars, etc., can you imagine where we'd be today?

A TV does not run 24 hours a day like a fridge, AC does