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Old 04-03-2009, 02:27 PM
 
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This is how I am starting to see it now.
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Old 04-03-2009, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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Cults and separatist movements cause the religious right to support an imbecile.

Maybe you'd better explain yourself.
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Old 04-03-2009, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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Cults and separatist movements cause the religious right to support an imbecile.

Maybe you'd better explain yourself.


Indeed. Former Branch Davidian members were clear about stating that the children of members had been sexually abused. It seems unimaginable that any serious Christian community would condone such behavior. What happened in Waco rests squarely on the shoulders of a dead man who'd
had a messianic complex.
Ruby Ridge was a different scenario, but Randy Weaver belonged to at least one of the separatist groups that included the two men who later were found to be guilty of the Oklahoma City bombing. Again, innocent children in the building's day care facility were murdered; it seems to be another situation that would be considered repulsive by any serious Christians.
In both cases, children and adults alike were innocent victims due to their
proximity to adult men controlling the course of events. It is not necessary
to be a Christian nor religious in any way to be repulsed by someone willing to put their irrational beliefs above the lives of others.
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Old 04-03-2009, 03:17 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Indeed. Former Branch Davidian members were clear about stating that the children of members had been sexually abused. It seems unimaginable that any serious Christian community would condone such behavior. What happened in Waco rests squarely on the shoulders of a dead man who'd
had a messianic complex.
Ruby Ridge was a different scenario, but Randy Weaver belonged to at least one of the separatist groups that included the two men who later were found to be guilty of the Oklahoma City bombing. Again, innocent children in the building's day care facility were murdered; it seems to be another situation that would be considered repulsive by any serious Christians.
In both cases, children and adults alike were innocent victims due to their
proximity to adult men controlling the course of events. It is not necessary
to be a Christian nor religious in any way to be repulsed by someone willing to put their irrational beliefs above the lives of others.
False, lies put out by the government.
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Old 04-03-2009, 03:36 PM
 
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Indeed. Former Branch Davidian members were clear about stating that the children of members had been sexually abused. It seems unimaginable that any serious Christian community would condone such behavior. What happened in Waco rests squarely on the shoulders of a dead man who'd had a messianic complex.

Ruby Ridge was a different scenario, but Randy Weaver belonged to at least one of the separatist groups that included the two men who later were found to be guilty of the Oklahoma City bombing. Again, innocent children in the building's day care facility were murdered; it seems to be another situation that would be considered repulsive by any serious Christians.

In both cases, children and adults alike were innocent victims due to their
proximity to adult men controlling the course of events. It is not necessary
to be a Christian nor religious in any way to be repulsed by someone willing to put their irrational beliefs above the lives of others.
True. Then again, the O.P. has not laid out any argument to support his thesis for starting this thread.

I find his statement "GW Bush Was The Religious Right's Answer To Bill Clinton's Waaco And Ruby Ridge" to be totally unsupported by any logic at all.

You have taken the OP's statement and proven it wrong. A simple case of the OP taking point A and saying it proves point B. A total fallacy and leap of logic unsupported by any factual basis that would connect A to B.

Truth is, David Koresh was a loony. He set himself up as a diety, found a bunch of idiots willing to believe it and give control of their lives to him; how sad that people are so easily led astray by bogus pied pipers. Koresh was nothing but a pervert and pedophile, who set up the rules for him to deflower the female children of their virginity when they became 14 years old. Nice gig for a perv, and a tax break to boot.

True Christians abhor Koresh's behavior, and Bush was NOT their answer to it, no way, a totally bogus remark by the OP.
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Old 04-03-2009, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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False, lies put out by the government.

Do you believe that the former Branch Davidians who were interviewed on
television were people paid by the government to lie about Koresh? Or that the information about Weaver that separatist groups delighted in claiming
was also actually done by the government? Those groups used Weaver as a
recruitment tool after his death.
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Old 04-03-2009, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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First, the Ruby Ridge incident occured under "Bush 1", Clinton wasn't involved in this one at all.

What groups was Weaver involved with that also involved McVeigh and Nichols? I'm unaware of any.
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Old 04-03-2009, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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First, the Ruby Ridge incident occured under "Bush 1", Clinton wasn't involved in this one at all.

What groups was Weaver involved with that also involved McVeigh and Nichols? I'm unaware of any.

Aryan Nation and the American Nazi Party. Remember McVeigh's obsession with The Turner Diaries? It isn't as though subversive groups keep membership lists that are available for public viewing, but their interconnections are no secret. Maybe you could find more.
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Old 04-03-2009, 04:51 PM
 
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Truth is, David Koresh was a loony. He set himself up as a diety, found a bunch of idiots willing to believe it and give control of their lives to him; how sad that people are so easily led astray by bogus pied pipers.
How is Rush Limbaugh much different than David Koresh?
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Old 04-03-2009, 04:58 PM
 
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i suppose this is the correct thread to ask, why are sawn off shotguns illegal?
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