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Old 04-08-2009, 01:06 PM
 
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I see the term "two consenting adults" being thrown out a lot. Two questions in regard to that: if you limit it to two, how are you not discriminating from triad or quad unions? And secondly "two consenting adults" must included mom and son, bro and sis, dad and son, etc. as long as they're consenting adults, correct? If not, then you'd be guilty of the same discrimination that you supposedly decry.
Yeah, let's do away with marriage altogether. Why discriminate against anybody, let's discriminate against EVERYBODY.
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Old 04-08-2009, 01:36 PM
 
Location: CO
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Marriage is not a right and homosexuals do not have the same freedom to marry as heterosexuals do. Homosexuals have the opportunity to convert to normal heterosexual human beings and marry people of the opposite sex.
That's like saying that white people and black people had the opportunity to marry within their own race before 1967 so that they could realize the same benefits as other "normal" couples. Yet, the Constitution turned out to be a slap in the face for those who would have voted to keep racism going.

I guess we as Americans will always have a double standard somehow. We preach freedom for all, but we do not really grant freedom for all - we grant freedom to the majority who share the same religious beliefs. I don't understand why so many complain about the attack on the Pledge of Allegience when there really isn't "liberty and justice for all" to begin with - that obviously only applies to straight people. We cannot continue to justify discrimination and hate and then boast about how great freedom is.
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Old 04-08-2009, 01:37 PM
 
Location: CO
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Yeah, let's do away with marriage altogether. Why discriminate against anybody, let's discriminate against EVERYBODY.
Funny enough, that would be the only fair solution in this case.
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Old 04-08-2009, 01:46 PM
 
Location: CO
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Every state where the issue of same-sex marriage has been taken to the polls voters have approved bans on homosexual marriage by large margins.
Had slavery been put to a vote at one time, the majority might have voted against abolishing that too. Does that mean the freedom of one group of people should have been dismissed because the majority felt they should not be treated equally? Was the government wrong for giving women the right to vote? or abolishing slavery? or legalizing interracial marriage?

Why do we, as Americans, need to have our government step in to force us to treat each other equally?
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Old 04-08-2009, 01:49 PM
 
Location: America's heartland
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Yeah, let's do away with marriage altogether. Why discriminate against anybody, let's discriminate against EVERYBODY.
You retort to emotional rantings and irrational assumations simply because you disagree with the moral majority. That is typical of leftist dogmatic individuals.

Homosexuality is an abomination and it is clearly defined as such in the Bible.

Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God

Effeminate is the Biblical term that means homosexual. The above passage implies anyone that takes part in the above-menioned practices, including homosexuality, will not spend their enternal life in Heaven.
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Old 04-08-2009, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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You retort to emotional rantings and irrational assumations simply because you disagree with the moral majority. That is typical of leftist dogmatic individuals.

Homosexuality is an abomination and it is clearly defined as such in the Bible.

Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God

Effeminate is the Biblical term that means homosexual. The above passage implies anyone that takes part in the above-menioned practices, including homosexuality, will not spend their enternal life in Heaven.
What about those who see the bible as a crock of **** or those who see the bible as an outdated book?
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Old 04-08-2009, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Boston
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[quote=yikesamillion;8246681]The United States Constitution does not cover marriage. That is why marriage is left to the citizens of each state to decide.

Obviously they have decided. Every state where the issue of same-sex marriage has been taken to the polls voters have approved bans on homosexual marriage by large margins.

Arizona was the only state that rejected a similar ban, but that was only because of a technicality in the wording. Since the technicality was removed and a basic fundamental definition of marriage was presented, Arizonans passed the ban on homosexual marriage last year.

Iowa and Vermont will be next.

Marriage is not a right and homosexuals do not have the same freedom to marry as heterosexuals do. Homosexuals have the opportunity to convert to normal heterosexual human beings and marry people of the opposite sex.[/quote]


and now heterosexuals have the opportunity to convert to normal homosexual human beings and marry people of the same sex.

whats your definition of normal anyways?
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Old 04-08-2009, 01:59 PM
 
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What about those who see the bible as a crock of **** or those who see the bible as an outdated book?
You said exactly what I wanted to say, but you said it better than I ever could have. Thank you.
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Old 04-08-2009, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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You said exactly what I wanted to say, but you said it better than I ever could have. Thank you.
No problem.
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Old 04-08-2009, 02:04 PM
 
Location: CO
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Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God
And yet, many of those mentioned above are not banned from getting married. Adulterers are free to remarry.

Last time I checked, the Constitution is a founding United States document, not the Bible. You're welcome to interpret the Bible and practice your religion all you want (and however you want), so long as you don't force it upon others - isn't that freedom of religion?
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