Homeland Security Warns of Rise in Right-Wing Extremism (Obama, military, terrorist)

[DC at the Ridge]

Originally Posted by CharlottePirateFan

I started at the bottom. Only read through the last 6. None of them mentioned right-wing, conservative or republican. All I saw was a bunch of retarded militia groups, skin heads, supremacists.

Anything else?

On a political scale, these groups fall into right-wing extremism. They certainly don't reflect the mainstream conservative or Republican philosophy, and I hope no one on this forum would think that they do. But the people in question would certainly self-classify themselves as conservatives or right-wing, because it would be anathema to them to be labeled as liberals. So Homeland Security isn't trying to be partisan here, they are simply trying to correctly assess threat potential.

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge

Again, what is your agenda? Bill Ayers was a left-wing extremist decades ago. Has he been stockpiling weapons lately?

If you're trying to say that left-wing extremists are just as capable of violence, then say it. There is no question that you are correct. Homeland Security isn't saying that left-wing extremists aren't a concern. But they are pointing out that right-wing extremists are currently feeling that this administration doesn't represent them and people who feel dissatisfied, disgruntled, and disenfranchised are more likely to act. It's a fair observation.

Read the .pdf before replying again. You obviously haven't a clue what we are talking about in here and your attempts to deflect are weak at best.

[ovcatto]

Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge

They certainly don't reflect the mainstream conservative or Republican philosophy, and I hope no one on this forum would think that they do. But the people in question would certainly self-classify themselves as conservatives or right-wing, because it would be anathema to them to be labeled as liberals. So Homeland Security isn't trying to be partisan here, they are simply trying to correctly assess threat potential.

I wanted to add the above to my comment that I would not classify such individuals or groups as being indicative of "conservatives" in general or Republicans in particular, but right wing they most certainly are.

[Anonymous Political Junky]

Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge

I'm sorry, but extremists are always a threat. Homeland Security is simply pointing out that after the last election the right-wing extremists are feeling more disenfranchised and more threatened, so the threat of them acting violently is increased.

If McCain had been elected, the left-wing extremists would have been more likely to do something violent because they would have felt that the government wasn't representative of them. The feelings of the extremists is partisan, but Homeland Security's warnings aren't partisan in and of themselves.

Then you should be scared ****less of the Obama administration since you said that extremists are always a threat.

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge

On a political scale, these groups fall into right-wing extremism. They certainly don't reflect the mainstream conservative or Republican philosophy, and I hope no one on this forum would think that they do. But the people in question would certainly self-classify themselves as conservatives or right-wing, because it would be anathema to them to be labeled as liberals. So Homeland Security isn't trying to be partisan here, they are simply trying to correctly assess threat potential.

I bet the missed the New Black Panther Party...

Muhammad became the national chairman of the New Black Panther Party. On May 21, 1997, he delivered a heated speech at San Francisco State University in which he criticized Jews, whites, Catholics and homosexuals and said they should be killed. He endorsed a Holocaust denial position, asserted Jewish control over U.S. policy, and alleged Jewish involvement in various conspiracies and said Jews should be killed.[4]

Khalid Abdul Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do we need to go through some more Black Liberation Movements? Or are they ok because its a left wing communist/socialist organization.

[Synopsis]

Seems left wing terrorism is alive and well.

About.com: http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cover.jsp?purl=/780410-SHVVvq/native/

On October 20, 1981, in Nyack, N.Y., a dozen members of the Weather Underground and
the Black Liberation Army robbed an armored Brink’s truck of $1.6 million. They killed
a Brink’s guard and wounded two others. At a police roadblock five miles from the
robbery, they killed two police officers and wounded a third. Four of the robbers were
captured, but eight escaped (Methvin, 1995). The combined forces of the two major
terrorist groups named their alliance the May 19th Communist Organization (M19CO),
an alliance that also included members of the Black Panthers and the Republic of New
Africa (RNA) (Smith, 1994).


On November 3, 1984, two members of the M19CO were arrested at a mini-warehouse
they had rented in Cherry Hill, N.J. Police recovered more than 100 blasting caps, nearly
200 sticks of dynamite, more than 100 cartridges of gel explosive, and 24 bags of blasting
agent from the warehouse. The alliance’s last bombing was on February 23, 1985, at the
Policemen’s Benevolent Association in New York City (Smith, 1994).
A search of the M19CO’s safe houses (hideouts) revealed documents that indicated its
members were planning to escalate their terrorist campaign. The members had
information on two dozen corporate executives and leading New York and New Jersey
police officials including biographies, photographs, and daily schedules. They had
drawings, floor plans, and photographs of police stations and barracks. They also had a
file on former President Richard Nixon’s residences (Methvin, 1995).

The United Freedom Front was another leftist terrorist group operating in the United
States during the same time as the M19CO. The group had a Marxist orientation and was
striving for “a whole different system of distributing economic wealth in this country and
an end to American imperialism” (Smith, 1994). Although there were only eight
members in the group, they were responsible for 29 known robberies and bombings from
October 4, 1975, to September 26, 1984. One of the members, Thomas Manning, was
convicted of killing a New Jersey state trooper (Smith, 1994).

Members of the radical left in the United States have maintained links to Puerto Rican
separatist terrorist groups. The connections are in part due to all of these organizations
having a Marxist-Leninist orientation and in part because they have received support
from the communist government in Cuba. Cuba has not been the only funding source,
however. In 1983, one of these groups, the Macheteros, robbed a Wells Fargo depot in
West Hartford, Connecticut, of $7.1 million, only $80,000 of which has been recovered
(Smith, 1994).

Left-wing groups were responsible for three-fourths of the officially designated acts of
domestic terrorism in the United States during the 1980s. About half of these incidents
were committed by Puerto Rican separatist groups and the remainder by traditional leftist
terrorist groups like M19CO (Smith, 1994).

Although the threat from leftist extremists has decreased in the past decade, it should not
be ignored. From 1980 to 1985, a five-year period when leftist domestic terrorists were
most active in the United States, 173 terrorist incidents were recorded by the FBI
(Federal Bureau of Investigation, 1995). During the next 10 years, when right-wing
extremists were most active, only 83 incidents were recorded (Federal Bureau of
Investigation, 1995).

[southward bound]

Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge

I agree with you that Big Government is a huge threat to our freedoms... But Homeland Security taking note of the increased threat posed by right-wing extremists in light of a left-wing administration being in power is not fear-mongering.

No, it's just a step closer to reigning in or silencing all those who don't agree with the left-wing administration. They don't have to be extremists, just thoughtful, intelligent dissenters who are painted with the same broad brush. If enough stir is created by Napolitano over this, people will be stirred up unnecessarily, and will (due to implanted suggestions of fear) contact their Congressioinal representatives and urge them "to do something". Once again, the people are being manipulated.

When will she have some real concern over the violence on the border down south? Oh, I forgot. The ruling party needs and wants those votes next time around.

[DC at the Ridge]

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

Hey, how about reading... Terror is mentioned 16 times:
http://www.thelibertypapers.org/wp-c...m-09-04-07.pdf

But I understand your unwillingness to see how ridiculous this is. My agenda? Is to show how utterly hypocrictial the left is. While embracing Bill Ayers a known terrorist they now expose the right for it's "terrorist" activities despite:


They have no threat but they should be watched, just in case.

I did read it. But be honest---there's a difference between identifying potential sources of acts of terror, and using the word terrorist. Terrorist is a push-button word. We use the word "terror" on a daily basis in multiple settings. "The movie inspired terror", "As I was skiing, my goggles went askew and I was in absolute terror that I would crash," "When the phone rang at 3am, I was in a terror that something had happened to my teen-age son." The word "terrorist" has a much more singular connotation. So when you use it the way you have been on this thread, you are putting your own "spin" on the article. Then you make it sound like Homeland Security never heard of left-wing extremists, when clearly they are well aware that there is threat potential from left-wing and right-wing extremists. Their observation that with a left-leaning administration in place, that right-wing extremists are more likely to become violent is as obvious an observation as that when a right-leaning administration is in power, that left-wing extremists are more likely to be violent. It's not a partisan observation, it's a psychological observation.

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by Synopsis

Seems left wing terrorism is alive and well.

About.com: http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cover.jsp?purl=/780410-SHVVvq/native/

[DC at the Ridge]

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

I bet the missed the New Black Panther Party...

Khalid Abdul Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do we need to go through some more Black Liberation Movements? Or are they ok because its a left wing communist/socialist organization.

You keep attacking me, suggesting that I did not read the article. But frankly, it seems that you did not read my posts. No one said that left-wing extremists don't pose a threat. I specifically said that all extremists pose threats. (And I don't think Obama's administration is extremist, though I am concerned about several things). Homeland Security certainly didn't say that left-wing extremists don't pose a threat. They simply observed that in the current political environment, right-wing extremists pose an increasing threat.