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Old 04-15-2009, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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You just can't make this scary crap up.

Washington Times - Top Dem 'dumbfounded' by 'extremism' report

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"This report appears to raise significant issues involving the privacy and civil liberties of many Americans -- including war veterans," Mr. Thompson said in the letter sent Tuesday.

"As I am certain you agree, freedom of association and freedom of speech are guaranteed to all Americans -- whether a person's beliefs, whatever their political orientation, are 'extremist' or not," Mr. Thompson said.
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It identified as potential terrorist threats people who collect guns, veterans, supporters of border control, and pro-life advocates.
Can we even imagine the frothing fury the left would be in if this report were issued by a republican administration?
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:16 PM
 
Location: 38°14′45″N 122°37′53″W
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You just can't make this scary crap up.

Washington Times - Top Dem 'dumbfounded' by 'extremism' report





Can we even imagine the frothing fury the left would be in if this report were issued by a republican administration?
ok I'll play....so what's your point then?
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:19 PM
 
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Newsflash: The Bush administration did issue such a report warning of left-wing domestic extremism.

Best to read up on at least recent history before posting.

http://terrorism.about.com/gi/dynami...SHVVvq/native/
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:24 PM
 
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For the millionth time...The Washington Times is owned by the maniac Reverend Sun Myung Moon, the self proclaimed messiah. It is a propaganda rag.
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Newsflash: The Bush administration did issue such a report warning of left-wing domestic extremism.

Best to read up on at least recent history before posting.

About.com: http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cover.jsp?purl=/780410-SHVVvq/native/
The question is, did you read any of the report you gave a link for?

The topic of this post refers to the report issued to law enforcement by Homeland Security warning of a terrorism threat from right-wing extremists. What has shocked many is the report's descriptions of who should be considered as possible "right-wing extremist". The story in the Washington Post is about Rep. Bennie Thompson's (Democrat and chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee), reaction to the report identifying war veterans to be among one of the descriptions it cites as possible right-wing extremists.

Your claim that the Bush Administration issued a similiar report but, in regards left-wing extremism, is an inaccurate statement. The link you gave is to a report dated April 2001 and prepared for the U.S. Department of Energy (the DOE) by the Oak Ridge Institute for Science and Education (known as the ORISE). The ORISE is a U.S. Department of Energy institute focusing on scientific initiatives to research health risks from occupational hazards.

Oak Ridge Institute for Science and Education (ORISE)

To refresh your memory, Bush was in office just over 2 months when this report was prepared for the DOE. If you read it, it discusses both left-wing and right-wing extremism and describes each only with demographic data (such as typical age, sex, race, education, etc. broken down by percentage), all obtained from those responsible for incidents of domestic terrorism in the past.....it gives no specific descriptions or possibilities of who to suspect as an extremist (like the DHS report does). It also gives a considerable amount of attention to international left-wing extremism and how it connects to domestic extremist terrorism. It is an assessment of historical, current and possible future extremist terrorism from both sides, right and left.

The title of the report is "Left-Wing Extremism: The Current Threat" because, it evaluates the current level and possible future threat from it. The title is not intended to identify only left-wing extremism as a threat, as though right-wing extremists are not and never have been thought of in that way as well. It instead is referring to the cycle of terrorism from both sides and how it may repeat itself in the near future.

In any event, although the report to the DOE is a matter of public record (from their archives), it wasn't issued to national law enforcement by the Bush Administration in the way that DHS issued the most recent report warning of right-wing extremism and domestic terrorism.
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:19 PM
 
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The question is, did you read any of the report you gave a link for?

The topic of this post refers to the report issued to law enforcement by Homeland Security warning of a terrorism threat from right-wing extremists. What has shocked many is the report's descriptions of who should be considered as possible "right-wing extremist". The story in the Washington Post is about Rep. Bennie Thompson's (Democrat and chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee), reaction to the report identifying war veterans to be among one of the descriptions it cites as possible right-wing extremists.

Your claim that the Bush Administration issued a similiar report but, in regards left-wing extremism, is an inaccurate statement. The link you gave is to a report dated April 2001 and prepared for the U.S. Department of Energy (the DOE) by the Oak Ridge Institute for Science and Education (known as the ORISE). The ORISE is a U.S. Department of Energy institute focusing on scientific initiatives to research health risks from occupational hazards.

Oak Ridge Institute for Science and Education (ORISE)

To refresh your memory, Bush was in office just over 2 months when this report was prepared for the DOE. If you read it, it discusses both left-wing and right-wing extremism and describes each only with demographic data (such as typical age, sex, race, education, etc. broken down by percentage), all obtained from those responsible for incidents of domestic terrorism in the past.....it gives no specific descriptions or possibilities of who to suspect as an extremist (like the DHS report does). It also gives a considerable amount of attention to international left-wing extremism and how it connects to domestic extremist terrorism. It is an assessment of historical, current and possible future extremist terrorism from both sides, right and left.

The title of the report is "Left-Wing Extremism: The Current Threat" because, it evaluates the current level and possible future threat from it. The title is not intended to identify only left-wing extremism as a threat, as though right-wing extremists are not and never have been thought of in that way as well. It instead is referring to the cycle of terrorism from both sides and how it may repeat itself in the near future.

In any event, although the report to the DOE is a matter of public record (from their archives), it wasn't issued to national law enforcement by the Bush Administration in the way that DHS issued the most recent report warning of right-wing extremism and domestic terrorism.
Title of document:

LEFT-WING EXTREMISM:
The Current Threat


Nice attempt at spin, though.
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Old 04-16-2009, 05:50 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Title of document:

LEFT-WING EXTREMISM:
The Current Threat


Nice attempt at spin, though.
You're choking on your spin, as usual.
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Old 04-16-2009, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Title of document:

LEFT-WING EXTREMISM:
The Current Threat


Nice attempt at spin, though.
You've heard of the expression, "Don't judge a book by it's cover"....well, it couldn't be applied better in this situation!

Well now I need to ask you if you read ALL of my post because I specifically addressed the title of report in my post? I wrote:

"The title of the report is "Left-Wing Extremism: The Current Threat" because, it evaluates the current level and possible future threat from it. The title is not intended to identify only left-wing extremism as a threat, as though right-wing extremists are not and never have been thought of in that way as well. It instead is referring to the cycle of terrorism from both sides and how it may repeat itself in the near future".

You're the only one trying to spin what this report is about. To prove the point I made in my post (that's it's an evaluation of the current level of threat from left-wing extremism, including international left-wing extremism), here are some quotes taken directly the report:



"Although the current domestic terrorist threat within the United States is focused on right-wing extremists and white supremacists, left-wing extremists are alive and well and have several objectives".

It specifically points out that the current domestic terrorist threat in the U.S. is from right-wing extremists.


"Between 1988 and 1998, 13,858 people died in attacks committed by the 10 most active terrorist organizations in the world. The most violent of these was the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), which was responsible for 3,575 deaths. When all the deaths attributed to these groups are compared, leftist organizations were responsible for 10, 978 or 74 percent of all the people killed by the 10 major terrorist groups during this time period".

See it's talking about international terrorism by leftist organizations, they're not talking about people who are politically liberal.


"At present, the black liberation movements in the United States are following a political and community-based agenda, unlike the 1970s when the agenda also included terrorist activities".

It specifically mentions the black liberation movement and how it's current level of activity is NOT terrorism.



I've shown just a few quotes I took from only the Executive Summary (pages ii and iii).....this is only a few sentences from the SUMMARY. If you bothered to read the report, the entire document dicusses terrorism is this manner....the current levels of threat from both sides but, this report is for left-wing extremism. A sister report could and may have been written with a similiar title, "Right-Wing Extremism: The Current Threat".

As I said, the report is not saying that left-wing extremism is the current threat in the U.S.....it's evaluating the current and possible future level of terrorist threat from left-wing extremism in the U.S.


In any event, the report was prepared by ORISE for the DOE in April of 2001....it's an internal document for the DOE to review because, protecting the nation's power grid and nuclear plants from terrorism, is one among many of the responsibilities the DOE has. The report wasn't issued by the Bush administration and it wasn't distributed to national law enforcement.


Just take your own advice and READ the report FIRST!

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Old 04-16-2009, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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What is anyone's beef here? That right-wing extremists can be as bad as left-wing extremists? They can. That left-wing extremists can be as bad as right-wing extremists? They can. This is all pretty obvious.

What we all need is a better definition of, and understanding of, what we call "extremism."

I am admittedly not a fan of Robert F. Kennedy, for various reasons, but he was on to something when he remarked,

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What is objectionable, what is dangerous about extremists is not that they are extreme but that they are intolerant. The evil is not what they say about their cause, but what they say about their opponents.
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Old 04-16-2009, 07:16 AM
 
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A right-wing extremist never blew up a Federal Building or anything or didnt just ambush 3 cops because the government was coming to take his guns..Nope, that never happened.
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