Why do people think States do not have the right to leave the union? (Congress, drug)

[pghquest]

Odd that people keep claiming that states can not leave the union and form their own government when the Declaration of Independence very clearly says this right exists..

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,

Leaving the union is abolishing the US government..

[shorebaby]

Originally Posted by pghquest

Odd that people keep claiming that states can not leave the union and form their own government when the Declaration of Independence very clearly says this right exists..

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,

Leaving the union is abolishing the US government..

Because it can't. The civil war settled that question.

That Texas Magazine - Articles

[oz in SC]

Kind of funny that no amendment stating as much was added....

[mackinac81]

Well, technically a new government takes charge whenever there's an election--hence the 1st, 2nd, 3rd congresses and so on. So actually we have the ability to "alter or abolish" the government every 2-4 years. It's just that nobody takes advantage of it

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by shorebaby

Because it can't. The civil war settled that question.

That Texas Magazine - Articles

So your telling me that the Civil War threw out the Declaration of Independence? The document isnt valid anymore? I'm going to need a little more explanation because last I checked, we still use these documents as basis for our governments foundation.

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by mackinac81

Well, technically a new government takes charge whenever there's an election--hence the 1st, 2nd, 3rd congresses and so on. So actually we have the ability to "alter or abolish" the government every 2-4 years. It's just that nobody takes advantage of it

Technically your wrong, if you were correct we would have to issue new debt every 2-4 years.. How wonderful that would be..

We simply hire new CEO's to run the "company", we dont scrap the whole thing and start from scratch..

[ergohead]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

Kind of funny that no amendment stating as much was added....

Kind of funny that no Amendment states that American children must be forced into educational compounds and be obedience-drugged either.

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by ergohead

Kind of funny that no Amendment states that American children must be forced into educational compounds and be obedience-drugged either.

Agreed, thanks for further supporting where I stand usually on these issues, that the Federal Government has no right to dictate to the states how to operate.

[RicT]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

Kind of funny that no amendment stating as much was added....

I also wonder about that.

But Abe Lincoln surmised that succession from "the whole" was entirely contradictory to forming a more perfect "union". Hence the rationale for the Civil War.

[shorebaby]

Originally Posted by pghquest

So your telling me that the Civil War threw out the Declaration of Independence? The document isnt valid anymore? I'm going to need a little more explanation because last I checked, we still use these documents as basis for our governments foundation.

No the Declaration of Independence was talking about getting rid of England. I am not sure but I don't think it is a guide for governance Like the constitution. Also leaving the country wouldn't abolish the government. If Texas left the government would still be intact. When we left England we all left together. And don't forget the consequenses for leaving, a brutal war.