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Old 04-21-2009, 12:14 AM
 
Location: OB
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august 9 2007-we dont torture(president bush)

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everybody is upset.. no one is upset we actually tortured, what is wrong with everybody?
Nope. Not everybody. Only certain types sympathize with the terrorist enemy. Discomfort of two top-most leaders of our enemy to coerce information to prevent the future killing of our citizens is not a bad thing. Do not redefine torture. Waterboarding is not torture. This is torture:

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Old 04-21-2009, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Waterboarding is not torture.
Waterboarding is criminal, as I've fulsomely documented. You can split hairs about whether it's what you consider torture.
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Old 04-21-2009, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Considering that tens of thousands of US servicemen who undertook SERE training were subjected to waterboarding between the 1960s and the 1990s as part of their training with congressional approval, yet since 2006 waterboarding suddenly got redefined as "torture." Not among our military (obviously the liberal freaks could care less if our military is being "tortured"), but only against terrorists.

The agenda of these liberal freaks is very obvious. They want more Americans to die, and they will go to great lengths to defend those who kill Americans. Including lie and redefine what is "torture." After all, if they were honest (or at least consistent), they would have complained about the "torture" the military was subjected to for 30+ years. The fact that they didn't then, and only started considering waterboarding torture for the first time three years ago demonstrates their duplicity, hypocrisy, and anti-American agenda.
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Old 04-21-2009, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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And the techniques worked.

Read the actual memos - the evidence is in there.

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Old 04-21-2009, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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And the techniques worked.

Read the actual memos - the evidence is in there.
Torturing people's kids in front of them probably worked for Saddam. Your point?
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Old 04-21-2009, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Considering that tens of thousands of US servicemen who undertook SERE training were subjected to waterboarding between the 1960s and the 1990s as part of their training with congressional approval, yet since 2006 waterboarding suddenly got redefined as "torture."
Since 1901, not 2006, as I've proven.

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After all, if they were honest (or at least consistent), they would have complained about the "torture" the military was subjected to for 30+ years.
The military is comprised of volunteers, and to equate waterboarding by trainers who are your countrymen and waterboarding by interrogators who are your enemies doesn't pass the laugh test.
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Old 04-21-2009, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Since 1901, not 2006, as I've proven.



The military is comprised of volunteers, and to equate waterboarding by trainers who are your countrymen and waterboarding by interrogators who are your enemies doesn't pass the laugh test.
As I stated, liberal freaks do not consider waterboarding of the US military as "torture", but they do consider waterboarding terrorists as "torture", but only since 2006.

Thank you for demonstrating the duplicity, hypocrisy, and blatant anti-Americanism that is so very indicative of the wacky left.
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Old 04-21-2009, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Well we have to admit those interrogators showed extraordinary perseverance. Lesser people may have went to the old car battery after the first 30 attempts failed.
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Old 04-21-2009, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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As I stated, liberal freaks do not consider waterboarding of the US military as "torture", but they do consider waterboarding terrorists as "torture", but only since 2006.
1901. Lying over and over about that doesn't turn the lie true.
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Old 04-21-2009, 10:50 AM
 
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As I stated, liberal freaks do not consider waterboarding of the US military as "torture", but they do consider waterboarding terrorists as "torture", but only since 2006.

Thank you for demonstrating the duplicity, hypocrisy, and blatant anti-Americanism that is so very indicative of the wacky left.

Torture is about fear. Training is about separating fear from the act. One is torture because it's about creating and exploiting fear. One is not torture because it's about defusing and working through fear.
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