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I would better understand the liberal stance on water boarding if it weren't for their affection for the likes of Castro, Chavez, etc.. It's the apparent love for dictators that's interesting. I suppose it's our fault these dictators exist? They're a product of our own doing? They're simply miss-understood and need our love perhaps.
And "degrading treatment" is lumped in with torture.
Ten thousand people die in a terror attack, but at least we can hold our head high that we did not force the captured terrorist ring leader to wear a degrading pink jump suit.
This is the UN going overboard when simply trying to abolish things like "necklacing" people in the 1980s, with a car tire filled with gas which was lit on fire, used against “sellouts” in South Africa. I hear Winnie Mandela was so proud of this that she wears a golden tire necklace.
I would better understand the liberal stance on water boarding if it weren't for their affection for the likes of Castro, Chavez, etc.. It's the apparent love for dictators that's interesting. I suppose it's our fault these dictators exist? They're a product of our own doing? They're simply miss-understood and need our love perhaps.
You would better understand...............
Or you would prefer to change the argument from the merits and costs of waterboarding to another topic where your arguments float better, like socialist dictators, maybe?
And "degrading treatment" is lumped in with torture.
Ten thousand people die in a terror attack, but at least we can hold our head high that we did not force the captured terrorist ring leader to wear a degrading pink jump suit.
This is the UN going overboard when simply trying to abolish things like "necklacing" people in the 1980s, with a car tire filled with gas which was lit on fire, used against “sellouts†in South Africa. I hear Winnie Mandela was so proud of this that she wears a golden tire necklace.
We signed it. Were we going overboard when we signed it?
Oh, come on. You can surely muster a better argument than that.
No, I think that about sums it up. Maybe you would ask for harsher treatment, maybe even borderline uncomfortable or walking the fine line of almost stressful interrogation session, for the likes of Zubaydah.
No, I think that about sums it up. Maybe you would ask for harsher treatment, maybe even borderline uncomfortable or walking the fine line of almost stressful interrogation session, for the likes of Zubaydah.
You just undermined your statement that us anti-waterboarders want to treat Zubaydah like a shoplifting grandmother at KMart. If you're going to undermine your own arguments, then I needn't say anymore.
Or you would prefer to change the argument from the merits and costs of waterboarding to another topic where your arguments float better, like socialist dictators, maybe?
Just answer the question, you approve of one governments miss-treatment of it's citizens, but are morally outraged by our treatment of a terrorist.
Just answer the question, you approve of one governments miss-treatment of it's citizens, but are morally outraged by our treatment of a terrorist.
Where is the requirement that I have to approve of Chavez to be a liberal?
Must have missed that when I signed up at the old liberal party headquarters.
You see, liberals don't come off assembly lines, all identical, all from the same stamp. Just like conservatives have a wide range of opinions and perspectives. And unless Chavez was present at one of those waterboarding sessions, he's not relevant to this topic. He is off-topic. But you can start another thread asking liberals how they feel about him. You'll probably get a range of responses, because there's no liberal handbook that we all quote the same opinion out of.
Waterboarding dragged an entire nation over that line. You know the one, human decency, moral high road, integrity. Silly line.
People will die, so you can feel good about yourself.
Meanwhile we launch missiles into suspected terrorist camps, killing all but one person, and waterboarding the loan survivor is crossing the line. In other words, we can kill them, but just not waterboard them.
Killing them to prevent a terror attack = ok
Waterboarding them tp prevent a terror attack = not ok
Asking them nicely a few times, being unsuccessful, and people die in a terror attack = ok
We signed it. Were we going overboard when we signed it?
We signed it under the faith of its noble intentions, to stop the wholesale slaughter and torture of political opponents and innocent people, during civil wars in places like South Africa and Sudan.
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