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Old 04-21-2009, 02:53 AM
 
Location: Houston Texas
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Houston, Dallas and San Antonio, are not in the Rio Grande Valley. I think the big cities in TX, not in the R.G.V., hurt the crime rate more than the Rio Grande Valley.

did a look up on crime numbers for Texas cities versus other cities infamous for crime. For example, Dallas v. Los Angeles; Houston v. NYC and also of large Texas cities against each other. The statistics given are 2004 numbers.

LA is about 3x larger than Dallas in population but it has less murders per 100,000 people than Dallas. LA has about 3.8 million people and Dallas has 1.2 million people. Dallas leads in murder, rape, robbery, burglary, larceny theft and vehicle theft (See the image file I have attached at the very bottom of my post).

LA v. Houston. Both cities are very similar in population size. LA: 3.8 million v. Houston: 2 million. Houston leads in rape, robbery, burglary, larceny theft and vehicle theft. (See image file)

I also did comparisons of Houston and NYC. NYC is about 4x larger than Houston in population but still fares less than Houston in crime in a most categories. Population of NYC is 8.1 million and Houston is 2.0 million. Houston leads over NYC (crime per 100k people) in murder, rape, robbery, assault, burglary, larceny theft and vehicle theft. (See image file)

I then compared San Antonio and Dallas, both cities are very similar in size with each other. San Antonio beats Dallas in only 1 category - rape. Dallas exceeds San Antonio in murder, robbery, assault, burglary, larceny theft and vehicle theft. Both cities have a higher than average crime rate. (See image file)

Here's a report entitled, "Texas Tough? An Analysis of Incarceration and Crime Trends in the Lone Star State" from the Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice:
http://www.cjcj.org/pubs/texas/texas.html (broken link)

Interesting excerpt from this report:
The comparison between Texas and New York is particularly noteworthy, as their state populations are relatively matched. While Texas had the fastest growing prison system in the country during the 1990s, New York had the third slowest growing prison population in the U.S.(26) During the 1990s, Texas added more prisoners to its prison system (+98,081) than New York's entire prison population (73,233) by some 24,848 prisoners. This means that the number of prisoners that Texas added during the 1990s was 34% higher than New York's entire prison population. Throughout the 1990s, Texas added five times as many prisoners as New York did (18,001). Nevertheless, the Lone Star State's crime drops were much less impressive than what occurred in the Empire State. Since 1995, the percentage decline in overall crime in New York was four times greater than the drop experienced in Texas, and New York's crime rate dropped twice as much as Texas. Even if you go back further, from 1990 to 1998--the decline in the crime rate in New York was 26% greater than the drop in crime in Texas.

TX Crime Analysis (2004, DPS):
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/crimere...4/cit04ch2.pdf
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Even if NE is very white, (the Northern part, yes, the Southern part is almost nationwide average when it comes to diversity) it's still liberal. It's working fine, with a socialist senator! (a cons boogeyman!)
Nothing more than meaningless rambling

Both NY and LA had extremely high crime rates in the past. The large TX cities have now, but they will drop precipitously in the future. It goes along with explosive growth.

The Rio Grande valley has extreme poverty, but if you look at city poverty rates you will fing that NY and LA are about the same as Houston. As far as other issues, like bad schools, California and NY (both of which are extremely diverse like Texas ) have terrible schools as well. They are both Democrat states too. Your arguments are invalid
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Old 04-21-2009, 02:57 AM
 
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A fair point Mr. Liberal. Now let me ask you something.

Please explain to me why lily white liberal New England is doing ok when all the other liberal - more diverse - bastions like CA, MI, etc. are failing.

I'm gonna pop some popcorn & pull up a chair to watch you try & answer that one without stepping on any landmines.
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:27 AM
 
Location: Houston Texas
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Houston, Dallas and San Antonio, are not in the Rio Grande Valley. I think the big cities in TX, not in the R.G.V., hurt the crime rate more than the Rio Grande Valley.

did a look up on crime numbers for Texas cities versus other cities infamous for crime. For example, Dallas v. Los Angeles; Houston v. NYC and also of large Texas cities against each other. The statistics given are 2004 numbers.

LA is about 3x larger than Dallas in population but it has less murders per 100,000 people than Dallas. LA has about 3.8 million people and Dallas has 1.2 million people. Dallas leads in murder, rape, robbery, burglary, larceny theft and vehicle theft (See the image file I have attached at the very bottom of my post).

LA v. Houston. Both cities are very similar in population size. LA: 3.8 million v. Houston: 2 million. Houston leads in rape, robbery, burglary, larceny theft and vehicle theft. (See image file)

I also did comparisons of Houston and NYC. NYC is about 4x larger than Houston in population but still fares less than Houston in crime in a most categories. Population of NYC is 8.1 million and Houston is 2.0 million. Houston leads over NYC (crime per 100k people) in murder, rape, robbery, assault, burglary, larceny theft and vehicle theft. (See image file)

I then compared San Antonio and Dallas, both cities are very similar in size with each other. San Antonio beats Dallas in only 1 category - rape. Dallas exceeds San Antonio in murder, robbery, assault, burglary, larceny theft and vehicle theft. Both cities have a higher than average crime rate. (See image file)

Here's a report entitled, "Texas Tough? An Analysis of Incarceration and Crime Trends in the Lone Star State" from the Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice:
http://www.cjcj.org/pubs/texas/texas.html (broken link)

Interesting excerpt from this report:
The comparison between Texas and New York is particularly noteworthy, as their state populations are relatively matched. While Texas had the fastest growing prison system in the country during the 1990s, New York had the third slowest growing prison population in the U.S.(26) During the 1990s, Texas added more prisoners to its prison system (+98,081) than New York's entire prison population (73,233) by some 24,848 prisoners. This means that the number of prisoners that Texas added during the 1990s was 34% higher than New York's entire prison population. Throughout the 1990s, Texas added five times as many prisoners as New York did (18,001). Nevertheless, the Lone Star State's crime drops were much less impressive than what occurred in the Empire State. Since 1995, the percentage decline in overall crime in New York was four times greater than the drop experienced in Texas, and New York's crime rate dropped twice as much as Texas. Even if you go back further, from 1990 to 1998--the decline in the crime rate in New York was 26% greater than the drop in crime in Texas.

TX Crime Analysis (2004, DPS):
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/crimere...4/cit04ch2.pdf
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Even if NE is very white, (the Northern part, yes, the Southern part is almost nationwide average when it comes to diversity) it's still liberal. It's working fine, with a socialist senator! (a cons boogeyman!)
To keep on poking holes in your argument

Boston has a higher crime rate than San Antonio, Ft Worth and Austin which have higher populations than Boston

Springfield, Hartford, New Haven and Bridgeport (basically any other city of size in new England) have higher poverty and higher crime rates than the cities of Texas

Furthermore, since you say that crime and social issues are basically non existant in those wonderful liberal meccas, SF, Portland and Seattle all have higher crime rates than San Antonio, Ft Worth and Austin and all have been rising.

I love showing the truth exposing liberal falsehoods
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Old 04-21-2009, 04:01 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I don't think what conservatives think has any relevance in modern society. This was the big lesson from the Dunce Dubya era of the last 8 years. Only in his era will "dreams take wing."
First of all, Bush was not a conservative.

Second, what does "modern society" have to do with the relevance of what conservatives think? What's the connection? Conservative ideas are timeless. Societal trends do not make right thinking, sound judgement and fiscal responsibility obsolete. Are you saying that the ideas embodied in our Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence are irrelevant and obsolete? Would you care to expand on that?

What was the "big lesson" of the last eight years in terms of conservative thinking? Explain that, please.

For most of the last eight years, the economy was fairly robust. Some sectors suffered; housing for example. But that was largely due to factors that had nothing at all to do with the Bush administration, and certainly not conservatism. It had a lot to do with artificially high home prices. The fault here lies as much with the buyers of such inflated real estate, as with the sellers. And still another factor was the kind of "creative" financing going on to enable people to buy homes that were out of their price range. Little or no money down, no income verification, interest only payment terms, with payments spiking in later years. These things were, again, due in large part to the provisions of the CRA (Carter/Clinton) and the (liberal) idea that home ownership was a "Constitutional right".

I think your post is another example of liberal gobbledygook and non-think, devoid of any substance.
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Old 04-21-2009, 04:24 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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CA has issues with illegal aliens and minorities. I think that's is the number one issue that is dragging the state down and it has nothing to do with liberalism.
AZ is a conservative state, they have immigration problems running rampant there too.
Have you lived in California? I have. I lived there for almost 30 years. My wife is a native San Diegan. We have seen it go from a fairly conservative state (under Reagan), to extreme liberal (in terms of government). Willy Brown was dictatorial and darn near single handedly destroyed that state when he was "in power". Things have only gotten worse since then.

California's problems have less to do with illegal aliens (though this has become a monumental problem in itself) and more to do with the irresponsible government, which (like the current Obama administration) has been spending far too much for too many years, and increasing taxes all along the way to pay for it. People were in danger of being taxed out of their homes (and many have been).

Auto registration alone will run several hundred dollars just for another year (It's about $40 here in Ohio).

When we got fed up and left in 1993, at a rest stop along the way, we were told that 9 out of 10 people like us (driving trucks with vehicles in tow) making a stop there, were people leaving California.
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Old 04-21-2009, 06:34 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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I'm just sick and tired of this worn out talking point, about how CA. is such a failure because of democrats (republican governor though) and liberalism. Ok even if that is true, well, don't forget that the New England states are doing, in an overall sense, well.
Lowest divorce rates are in New England, most colleges per square area are in New England. 2 of the states with the highest income rates (top 5) are CT and MA. Has (along with the upper midwest states) some of the lowest drop out rates in the US and 4 out of the 6 states in NE are in the bottom 5 in % of adults who are obese. Crime rates are along the lowest in the country (the lowest in you define regions in a certain way, with the possible expection of the North Central States). As of 12/08, unemployment was below the national average in the region, the only bad number coming from Rhode Island.
I was just blown away by how Bush defenders in the 2004 elections, tried to attack Kerry as being a liberal from Massachusetts. Well, so what? A liberal from Mass. vs. a cowboy from TX. The social ills stats for Texas (for stuff like crime and uninsured people) are usually in the higher range (top 10) of the 50 states.
Point being: Even though CA is having it's problems with liberalism (it's not my opinion, but let's just say it may be true), well, don't forget, that liberal policies and democratic representation (solidly ayway) work well in the New England States.

New England - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You have no idea then what sort of financial toilet New England is in.
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Old 04-21-2009, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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When VT has concealed carry laws not requiring a permit and few minorities and illegal aliens along with people who are used to living in frigid conditions and fending for themselves, it's a recipe for success.

Part of the reason why Europe gets away (using the term loosely) with nationalized health care and other social experiments is because of its monolithic culture. Notice the parallels between an increase in muslim immigration and higher unemployment and riots in France. Europe is not used to being any sort of "melting pot" and pays a steep price for learning how to become one.
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Old 04-21-2009, 06:52 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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When VT has concealed carry laws not requiring a permit and few minorities and illegal aliens along with people who are used to living in frigid conditions and fending for themselves, it's a recipe for success.

Part of the reason why Europe gets away (using the term loosely) with nationalized health care and other social experiments is because of its monolithic culture. Notice the parallels between an increase in muslim immigration and higher unemployment and riots in France. Europe is not used to being any sort of "melting pot" and pays a steep price for learning how to become one.
Crime is not a big issue in Vermont. The state's finances from all the spending and taxes, and the availability of jobs due to heavy regulations, however, are another subject...
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Old 04-21-2009, 07:03 AM
 
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I currently work with a number of people based out of metro Boston. Most of them said they wish to get out of MA because of the taxes. Paradise..I think not
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Old 04-21-2009, 07:17 AM
 
Location: In a house
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Liberalism is killing New England. Those who have been here awhile are largely conservative even if democrat. As soon as I hear someone equate Democrat with liberalism & Rep with conservatism in an absolute manner I know I'm not dealing with a rational person.
Most of our sucess is due to wealthy conservatives who have been here forever, most of our current slump is due to wealthy liberal city folks who have moved here in the last 50 years bringing their socialist crap with them.
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