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The parents have no more rights over their children while on school property than the school has over the children when on the parents property (domicile).
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Surely you cant be serious?
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Originally Posted by NVplumber
True, all this hoopla with kids getting strip searched for guns and drugs is coming from the left field camp. All in the name of 'safety' and 'public good'. Lol, if the school, in this particular case, had stripped this girl under the auspices of looking for a gun there would be no outcry from the left at all. Regardless of whether there was probable cause or not. The power over our kids that has been handed to the schools is all the result of liberal campaigning, 'educators have more knowledge than parents' etc Gawwwwd, this left right tennis match is getting old! But, I must admit, the left seems far more shrill and foot stomping (to me anyway). And far more willing to sit in the bleachers, call names and point fingers. If this had been my daughter, somebody would be getting their head handed to them and a mudhole stomped in them. So, that gets out how I feel about this 'search for drugs'. No matter who one feels is behind such gestapo tactics, if it happens to your kids, you need to act and make such things GO AWAY.
Yes indeed, what if they though this girl was hiding a Bible on her person. Who would be the hypocrits then!
True, all this hoopla with kids getting strip searched for guns and drugs is coming from the left field camp. All in the name of 'safety' and 'public good'. Lol, if the school, in this particular case, had stripped this girl under the auspices of looking for a gun there would be no outcry from the left at all. Regardless of whether there was probable cause or not. The power over our kids that has been handed to the schools is all the result of liberal campaigning, 'educators have more knowledge than parents' etc Gawwwwd, this left right tennis match is getting old! But, I must admit, the left seems far more shrill and foot stomping (to me anyway). And far more willing to sit in the bleachers, call names and point fingers. If this had been my daughter, somebody would be getting their head handed to them and a mudhole stomped in them. So, that gets out how I feel about this 'search for drugs'. No matter who one feels is behind such gestapo tactics, if it happens to your kids, you need to act and make such things GO AWAY.
I know my guns and for the life of me I can think of a single solitary model that would require a strip search to detect (that includes the American Arms .22's). But that being besides the point, if you can't discern the difference between the need to search a student for weapons and Ibprophen, I have to put you in the same lack of common sense category as these school officials involved in this case.
If it had been a criminal charge - law enforcement would have to FIRST seek a Search Warrant, based on proving probable cause.
But, this was not criminal. So, no SW required.
Yes, that is indeed the state of the law. But that's a point for the defendants, not for the plaintiffs.
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And, as for your "embarrasment" comment - this was a 12 year old GIRL - not an adult.
Your point? The courts have always held that children in public schools have fewer rights of privacy than adults, not more. That's probably the basis under which the lower court rulings will be overturned.
The parents have no more rights over their children while on school property than the school has over the children when on the parents property (domicile).
The parents have the right to remove their child from school property, and not the other way around, so I would argue that's not really the case.
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It's a question of guardian jurisdiction.
It's also a question of maintaining a prudent policy and respect for families. Not everything that is legal is prudent.
Originally Posted by ergohead
The parents have no more rights over their children while on school property than the school has over the children when on the parents property (domicile).
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Surely you cant be serious?
Well, the Pube Inspection Team didn't call the parents according to testimony.
What? Do you think they were just being lazy?
They didn't want any disruption in their jurisdiction.
Nothing worse than an unruly parent. (They're bigger than children)
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Yes indeed, what if they though this girl was hiding a Bible on her person. Who would be the hypocrits then!
Since the justices were questioning, "what if it had been heroin", I would have loved it if plaintiff had returned your question.
Bootleg God. She was planning to disseminate during the lunch hour!
She might have been victim to the War On God, instead of the War On Drugs.
I know my guns and for the life of me I can think of a single solitary model that would require a strip search to detect (that includes the American Arms .22's). But that being besides the point, if you can't discern the difference between the need to search a student for weapons and Ibprophen, I have to put you in the same lack of common sense category as these school officials involved in this case.
If you say so. The point behind that statement seems to have eluded your common sense. That point being that certain people are willing to overlook certain abuses of authority depending on the motive. And that is just flat wrong, abuse of power(for any reason) should not be tolerated. Whether they are searching for weapons, drugs, or cheat sheets, this type of tactic is over the top. And schools seem to be going this route more and more. As to the concealability of a firearm possibly requiring a strip search (only under the most serious of circumstances when we are talking about a school...and at this point the police and parents should both be on scene and good cause substantiated) bangers these days like those ill fitting clothes that hang down to their knees for a reason. All that cloth hides things well and they often secrete them in places where the removal of the clothing to find them becomes necessary. If they don't surrender them voluntarily anyway. I'm not an idiot pard...but sometimes you have to look a little deeper to find my points.
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That is the thing- to conservatives everything is as bad as everything else. Sin is sin. Beer is hard liquor. Asprin is heroin. All Arabs are terrorist. All blacks are criminals. All Mexicans are illegal aliens. A first month abortion is the same as a 9th month abortion. An AK-47 is the same as a hunting rifle. This is the way they think. You can't escape that.
Maybe you need to spend more time getting to know what conservatives are all about as it is obvious you have no clue ....
Maybe you need to spend more time getting to know what conservatives are all about as it is obvious you have no clue ....
He doesn't want to have a clue. He doesn't want to understand that conservatism, like any other sociopolitical belief system, actually has nuances. He's not interested in hearing reason or having an honest dialog. He just wants to hate and troll. And so that's what he will do. There's no sense in trying to reason with someone who intends to be unreasonable.
most of the kids i've met that are home-schooled have very little social skills.
I'm guessing you've met very few, if any. Either that, or you met the one family that's ruining it for the rest of them.
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The power over our kids that has been handed to the schools is all the result of liberal campaigning, 'educators have more knowledge than parents' etc
Gawwwwd, this left right tennis match is getting old! But, I must admit, the left seems far more shrill and foot stomping (to me anyway). And far more willing to sit in the bleachers, call names and point fingers. If this had been my daughter, somebody would be getting their head handed to them and a mudhole stomped in them.
So, that gets out how I feel about this 'search for drugs'. No matter who one feels is behind such gestapo tactics, if it happens to your kids, you need to act and make such things GO AWAY.
on her person. Who would be the hypocrits then!
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