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I know that I haven't been a part of this discussion, but actually the first ten amendments (Bill of Rights) don't grant any rights to anyone. Instead they tell the federal government what it cannot do with the reasoning being that our rights are inalienable, and are not contingent upon, nor granted to us by, government edict.
If God had meant for men to have guns, sperm would be copper-jacketed lead with hyper-mach tails.
From your link. 4. of the citizen as an individual: civil liberty.
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That's bull****! He simply would not be allowed to commercialize it.
Some defendants of patents assert that they are not monopoly privileges, but simply property rights in inventions or even in "ideas." But, as we have seen, everyone's property right is defended in libertarian law without a patent. If someone has an idea or plan and constructs an invention, and it is stolen from his house, the stealing is an act of theft illegal under general law. On the other hand, patents actually invade the property rights of those independent discoverers of an idea or invention who made the discovery after the patentee. Patents, therefore, invade rather than defend property rights. The speciousness of this argument that patents protect property rights in ideas is demonstrated by the fact that not all, but only certain types of original ideas, certain types of original innovations, are considered patentable.
Consumer sovereignty? You really ARE a bleeding Socialist!
You are certainly a confused ninny. I am advocating for the free market. It is you that is opposing my advocacy and erroneously calling me a socialist. Please educate yourself. Consumer sovereignty provides a firm justification for why the free market works to satisfy the preferences of every consumer. Both producers and consumers are sovereign individuals, but you want to distort this sovereignty by creating government granted monopolies in order to protect yourself from competition.
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"Make consumers?" "Coercion"? Protect pluralities from the FORCE of my patents?
The fact that you want a winner take all environment rather than competition demonstrates the fact that you don't want nor believe in the process of free markets.
You rather bar entry and stymie progress: Of the 40% of respondents who reported their work had been affected [by patents], 58% said their work was delayed, 50% reported they had to change the research, and 28% reported abandoning their research project. The most common reason respondents reported having to change or abandon their research project was that the acquisition of the necessary technologies involved overly complex licensing negotiations. AAAS - Science & Intellectual Property in the Public Interest
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I BEG OF YOU, PLEASE DO NOT SEND THE POLICE!
Are you emotionally unstable?
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Oh, he just found out that Corporations are mindless pigs?
The Patent Office refuses to issue patents to Corporations because Corporations do not have a "mind" with which to invent.
Yeah - gangs can be a sonofabitch, can't they?
No, you are just failing to prove that Hayek is a corporate hack. For someone to call me a socialist and Hayek a corporate hack is exemplifying your lack of understanding.
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You SAID that the Constitution granted artificial rights related to patents.
I want to know if you think 1st through 10th Amendment Rights are artificial rights granted to, or on behalf of, Individuals.
Can you quote me on that? I said that patents can lead to the creation of an artificial monopoly, which takes on a different definition than a natural monopoly. I can see how your limited understanding could lead you to grossly misconstrue my words into believing that the Bill of Rights are "artificial rights" granted to individuals.
The Bill of Rights does not grant rights, it restricts the federal government.
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As far as gangs go, I'm torn over whether I like Socialists (forced good intentions) or Corporatists (greedy pigs) the more or less.
I see that you are having personal problems and don't really like yourself.
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Let's see - Government, or Corporations?
Or, a marriage of the two - Haliburton.
I think I'll go with . . . ME!
Keep on posting incoherent ramblings. I'll doubt if I'll respond anymore since I don't feel like continuing in this groove of perversity. This conservation went down hill quickly, begging with your original post erroneously claiming that the CATO Institute is a right wing group and that you were surprised that libertarians would defend civil liberties.
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I just wander with the hazing incidents that have gone on at universities shouldn't be judged as torture by the same standrads. In fact looking at the incidents in which the prisoners were humilated they are more like college hazing IMO.Maybe forcing whisky down thru funnels should be judged the same as waterbording especaily when several students were actually killed. Have university campus beeen institutions of torture known for decades by those institutions.
From your link. 4. of the citizen as an individual: civil liberty.
Just as it generally takes Two to Tango, it also generally Takes Two to Civil.
It's that relativity thingy - you know, Reference Points? Nothing is invented in a vacuum, just as you really shouldn't Tango with a mirage - they say it's degrading!
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Some defendants of patents assert that they are not monopoly privileges, but simply property rights in inventions or even in "ideas." But, as we have seen, everyone's property right is defended in libertarian law without a patent. If someone has an idea or plan and constructs an invention, and it is stolen from his house, the stealing is an act of theft illegal under general law. On the other hand, patents actually invade the property rights of those independent discoverers of an idea or invention who made the discovery after the patentee. Patents, therefore, invade rather than defend property rights. The speciousness of this argument that patents protect property rights in ideas is demonstrated by the fact that not all, but only certain types of original ideas, certain types of original innovations, are considered patentable.
Quote:"Patents on the other hand, are completely different. Thus:
You have patented your invention and you read in the newspaper one day that John Doe, who lives in
a city 2,000 miles from your town, has invented an identical or similar device, that he has licensed the
EZ company to manufacture it.....Neither Doe nor the EZ company...ever heard of your invention. All
believe Doe to be the inventor of a new and original device. They may all be guilty of infringing your
patent...the fact that their infringement was in ignorance of the true facts and unintentional will not
constitute a defense.95"
Response: What, "prey" tell, did he license to the EZ company? If he had no patent, which he couldn't have had, what in the world could he have licensed to EZ? And why in the world would EZ pay him for . . . a mirage? Out of the kindness of his heart? Are you delusional?
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You are certainly a confused a ninny. I am advocating for the free market. It is you that is opposing my advocacy and erroneously calling me a socialist. Please educate yourself. Consumer sovereignty provides a firm justification for why the free market works to satisfy the preferences of every consumer. Both producers and consumers are sovereign individuals, but you want to distort this sovereignty by creating government granted monopolies in order to protect yourself from competition.
Confused ninny? You are projecting - a lot! You and your colleagues represent the typical jealous person who attacks others as a defense for h/her lack.
The fact that you want a winner take all environment rather than competition demonstrates the fact that you don't want nor believe in the process of free markets.
No, you are just failing to prove that Hayek is a corporate hack. For someone to call me a socialist and Hayek a corporate hack is exemplifying your lack of understanding.
Can you quote me on that? I said that patents can lead to the creation of an artificial monopoly, which has a different definition of a natural monopoly. I can see how your limited understanding could lead you to grossly misconstrue my words into believing that the Bill of Rights are "artificial rights" granted to individuals.
The Bill of Rights does not grant rights, it restricts the federal government.
I see that you are having personal problems and don't really like yourself.
Keep on posting incoherent ramblings. I'll doubt if I'll respond anymore since I don't feel like continuing in your groove of perversity. This conservation went down hill quickly, begging with your original post erroneously claiming that the CATO Institute is a right wing group and that you were surprised that libertarians would defend civil liberties.
Confused ninny? You are projecting - a lot! You and your colleagues represent the typical jealous person who attacks others as a defense for h/her lack.
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You bunch of stinking socialists!
No, you are a ninny and rather unstable one. This is the first time that I hears anyone call Hayek a socialist and a corporate hack.
You are seriously a confused individual. Why don't you educate yourself instead of posting inane youtube videos.
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"Following in the footsteps of their father, a member of the John Birch Society, Charles Koch founded the Cato Institute, and David Koch co-founded Citizens for a Sound Economy." Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation
"The Cato Institute is a libertarian think tank that often works in coalitions with right-wing groups." Cato Institute | Right Wing Watch
"500 thousand dollars to be awarded by the Cato Institute to the Venezuelan right-wing leader, Yon Goicochea." Right-wing student leaders bankrolled indirectly by Exxon | Facebook (http://en-gb.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=7405423202&topic=6238 - broken link)
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They have very discreetly eliminated the terms Individual Rights and Individual Liberties from all of their correspondence and writings - and have substituted the terms, Civil Rights and Civil Liberties.
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