Pit Bulls Have No Place In A Civilized Society! (own, city, great)

[MisterNY]

Originally Posted by Mearth

Why? Because Labs, Collies, and Malteses ARE NOT PEOPLE PLEASERS the way the pit bull breeds are.

Because they will do anything to please their trusted owner, even if it means their own pain and suffering. Humans are taking ADVANTAGE of this dog's sweet nature, nothing more.

You should be ashamed of yourself for watching all of these videos. Only someone who enjoys the pain and suffering of others could sift through and watch video like that. Much like a pedophile with child porn.

Oh wait, you didn't actually watch them... the very first video you posted shows PIT BULLS and ROTTWEILERS playing together NICELY

Nor did you read my previous post (http://www.city-data.com/forum/9338786-post494.html), because you completely IGNORED the statistics I cited. So try to read over it, and this one, again slowly, so you can actually understand.

When any dog attacks, it's usually a stray, and if a pit bull is a stray, it probably escaped or was abandoned by a dog-fighting ring that TAUGHT them to fight. And children who are bitten by dogs (locally, a child was attacked by a CHOW recently) - It's because their delinquent parents weren't watching them.


Your blind hatred is disgusting.

This post just takes the cake. Talking about absurd..

People pleasers? What are you? A Dog shrink? .....You're not making sense at all at this point. Your post made no sense.

Blind hatred? I don't think so. I just found evidence to show to you Pitt Lovers that they are not docile, playful animals you make them out to be. Are these videos made up? Get off your high horses. I just pulled your cards, that's all. Go make videos that prove otherwise. How about that?

OH Yeah, the news made all these up? GTH outta here with that nonsense.

I've encountered enough strays in my life that were not Pits that did not bite me, so again your point is moot. Many of these dogs belonged to people that lived in decent neighborhoods, and family pets (I dont know what they were thinking ).

Did you see the video with the guy who lived in a nice subdivision that did not want to speak to the news reporter after his dog bit the lady and her dogs? Was he a fighting dog trainer? I don't think so...

Did you see the one that tore up the neighbor's Labrador? Again, not a fighting dog. The owner was surprised. I don't know why.

So you have explaining to do. Man you guys got your butts served, and want to turn this against me. I'm not the one that bit your kids, these dogs you call nice docile animals were the ones.

[stycotl]

Originally Posted by MisterNY

You said nothing to refute what was on the videos. I made my point.

i'm not sure if you are talking specifically to me or not, but i'll respond anyway.

youtube videos are not valid evidence in any way, shape, or kind, toward the general disposition of any sort of animal. in fact, they wouldn't even serve as evidence for the study of human disposition.

if i were to look up videos about street fighting, would that be indicative of your personality and temperament? maybe that's a bad example in your case, but it certainly isn't evidence about the personalities of the rest of us.

similarly, dancing cat videos don't prove that cats are dancers. neither do the plethora of political propaganda videos about democrats and republicans mean all democrats are cowardly snobs, and all republicans are uneducated hicks.

you don't understand this concept, but those are stereotypes, not reality.

the very same principle applies in the dog world.

I don't have to waste my time, all I have to do is keep bringing more evidence to the table. You're obviously getting mad. I'm not trying to rile you up, just making my point, without talking. So, be mad all you want.

i'll respond again, even though i doubt you are talking to me, since i'm not "getting mad."

you have yet to prove a thing; in fact, again going off of the general breed identification errors that the media seems to have such a hard time with, half of your videos don't even prove that we're talking about pit bulls. in fact, even when the police arrive (except in the rare case when the dog is still there), the police rely on eye witness testimony about the breed, size, and temperament of the animal.

you know, the same kind of testimony that swears the fish that they caught was 4 feet long and over 100 lbs; the same testimony that swears that aliens were trying to abduct them the night before; the same testimony that is so extremely unreliable in court.

get it?

These dogs are wicked.

the are not wicked. wicked requires some kind of moral standard. dogs follow instinct. are wolves wicked? lions? spiders? buffalo? mice? they are all living by the same standards.

do you realize the level of ignorance that you are walking into this argument with? ignorance isn't necessarily an insult; it is a lack of factual knowledge or experience.

I'm all for banning them.

we hadn't noticed...

In the meantime, I'll just look over my shoulder and make sure my family is safe from them and their owners.

good. the owners are far more dangerous than the dogs. the number of dog bites in this country every year is much less than the number of violent conflicts between humans every year.

wait, i would guess that you didn't read that link, did ya?

This post just takes the cake. Talking about absurd..

People pleasers? What are you? A Dog shrink? .....You're not making sense at all at this point. Your post made no sense.

that would be absurd to you if you have never read anything about the breed. feel free to study up a little on genetics and what pits were bred for. you might learn something.

Blind hatred? I don't think so.

ignorance is not blind nowadays? oh, that's right. it is not politically correct to label ignorance as blindness. it is "just a different way of seeing things." if you hate something, and you don't know the first thing about the object of your hatred, that would be blind.

I just found evidence to show to you Pitt Lovers that they are not docile, playful animals you make them out to be.

nope. let's list them, shall we.
1-videos that showed pit bulls playing nicely, with humans, dogs, cats, and property.
2-videos that showed individual cases of pit bull violence.
3-videos that showed interviews with people that claimed their attackers were pit bulls but have no evidence to back any of it up.

i want you to go through all three groups and explain some things about them. i know you aren't going to do it, because your style is not to intellectually analyze any of the evidence presented against you, but to deflect, insult, and completely ignore the opposition. but i'm going to issue the challenge anyway. momonky or others that feel the way you do are also invited to take up the challenge if they feel so inclined.

group 1-what is wrong with the pit bull in video #1? what was it doing that was wrong? what made you feel the need to post this video, even though there is nothing inherently violent or unpredictable about this dog's behavior? did you even watch the vid before posting it?
group 2-what is it about a pit bull attack (when it has been verified as an actual member of the various subspecies actually regarded as a pit bull) that makes it intrinsically worse than an attack by a lab, a rottweiler, a mastiff, or another dog? what then should validate the idea of banning one species of dog over another when all of them attack, all of them can injure/kill, and all of them have those instincts in them?
group 3-what is it about these videos that rely on eyewitness testimony that makes them any more reliable than other eyewitness testimonies that are inherently suspect? why is it that when most witnesses cannot identify a pit bull, we should assume that these specific ones can? why, when the media reports that a pit bull bit a child, and it later turns out that it was a schnauzer, should we believe that these ones are any different? and, even assuming for the sake of argument that these witnesses were dog experts, we go back to group 2–what makes a pit attack inherently more "vicious" than a mastiff attack, or more dangerous than a st bernard attack, or more aggressive than a chow attack, and what validates the hatred?

Are these videos made up?Get off your high horses. I just pulled your cards, that's all. Go make videos that prove otherwise. How about that?

so, not only did you ignore all of the youtube videos of nicely playing pits (except the first one you posted), you didn't even recognize them?

people post videos of their dogs playing all over the web. there are many pit videos/photos of happily playing pits. in fact, despite their bad name, i would bet that there are still more vids/pics of calm, playful pits than there are of violent, aggressive ones. feel free to do a google search.

wait, i can't trust you to actually look that up, can i? here you go (as if you were a 5-year old, since that is what you specifically mentioned earlier):
The Photo Book Projects :: Animal Rescue in America & Deaf Dog Rescue: The Plight of Pit Bulls
Walking Wounded » Pets
Adoptable Dogs
http://www.mprgroup.net/pictures/adonis/e/kiss.jpg
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petb.../mollykiss.jpg
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petb...tures/yipp.jpg
wait,t hey can play nicely with other dogs? that would be... normal.
Lucy the Pit Bull | Puppies | Daily Puppy
this one is a sad read
MTL Pitbull club
a rescue dog? how can a psychopathic, shark-brained pseudo-dog do that?
Positive Pit Bull
looks terrifying...
Snoring Pit Bull - Video
Halloween Pit Bull
Pit bulls videos image by juliekathryn_2006 on Photobucket
those poor, poor birds... massacred.
Chicken health benefit,pit bull and chicken video,Weird four-legged chicken - Wellsphere
notice, even in the la times, one story of attack, 15 or so of nice, playful dog
L.A. Unleashed | Pit Bulls | Los Angeles Times
and two from my own collection
http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs40/i/20...by_stycotl.jpg
http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs45/i/20...by_stycotl.jpg

OH Yeah, the news made all these up? GTH outta here with that nonsense.

again you purposefully deflect to a false argument because that is the only kind that you know how to respond to. brilliant, dude.

I've encountered enough strays in my life that were not Pits that did not bite me, so again your point is moot.

if you meeting nonpit strays that didn't bite makes my point moot, does my meeting nonpit strays that did bite make your point moot? what about the pit strays that didn't bite, does that dismiss your point? logic has to hold both ways, buddy.

Many of these dogs belonged to people that lived in decent neighborhoods, and family pets (I dont know what they were thinking ).

Did you see the video with the guy who lived in a nice subdivision that did not want to speak to the news reporter after his dog bit the lady and her dogs? Was he a fighting dog trainer? I don't think so...

Did you see the one that tore up the neighbor's Labrador? Again, not a fighting dog. The owner was surprised. I don't know why.

what made you think we are talking about fighting dogs? if dogs being trained to fight is the default "mistreated/maladjusted dog" to you, i feel sorry for any animals or children that may live/have lived in your household. does abuse or neglect (another form of abuse) only happen in poor households? what is your point about "nice subdivisions," and "decent neighborhoods?" are you bringing stereotypes about race and class into this discussion now?

So you have explaining to do.

i've done quite a bit of explaining, with colorful pictures and everything, including expert testimony, scientific research, etc.

you've provided youtube. i think it is your turn to do some explaining, detailed and in-depth. there are some questions above that you are more than welcome to dissect. i'm gonna guess you'll never even read them all the way through, much less respond to each one.

Man you guys got your butts served, and want to turn this against me. I'm not the one that bit your kids, these dogs you call nice docile animals were the ones.

funny: none of my kids have been bitten, so i don't know what you're talking about. no one is turning anything against you. "these dogs," in most cases have never bitten anyone. mine hasn't. most pit owners on this site can say the same. most pit owners in america can say the same.

again, ironic the similarities between pits and dogs (oh wait, that's right, they are dogs!).

one last challenge for you, since you ignored it in my last few posts:

how do you explain (again, in detail–not just "only a matter of time") the multitudes of pits that never have problems? i want a researched, reasonable answer here, not just some hastily scrawled, deflective rhetoric. can you handle that?

[Mearth]

I don't even need to respond. stycotl said it all.

But let me reiterate, since it was your main complaint about my last post, that pit bull breeds - even those that were trained to fight other dogs - have always been bred with their ability to bond with people in mind.


For the evil people who fought them, they don't want their trained fighters turning on them - they preserved this human-bonding trait.

For everyone else, they were originally "nanny dogs" that watched over children, and today they remain the best breed for becoming therapy dogs.

They love people, especially children. And they don't startle easily, so when a siren goes off, or a car backfires, or a child grabs a bully's ears (or in the case of my neighbor's kid, accidentally smacks my dog in the head with a tennis ball) they just keep on smiling and playing.

Even the trained fighters can be turned around, because their behavior is more about what their owners want them to do, than what they themselves want to do. SEVEN of Michael Vick's dogs became therapy dogs!

[Cav Scout wife]

Originally Posted by MisterNY

\ Man you guys got your butts served, and want to turn this against me. I'm not the one that bit your kids, these dogs you call nice docile animals were the ones.

Seriously, you were loosing credibility, but with this childish and snarky comment it flew right out the window.

The ONLY dog my daughter has ever been bitten by is a GOLDEN RETRIEVER.

Again, I have fostered/rescued close to 150 dogs and about 60 of them were APBT or APBT mixes with NO human aggression towards ANY of us, including her. She has been around dogs since she was brought home from the hospital, with no incidents in our home.

[geeoro]

Originally Posted by momonkey

Yes, he's correct. No dog will attack without a reason. What a dog considers a reason is not what a human considers a reason. Dogs are not capable of knowing right from wrong, and a lot of pit bull fans couldn't care less who gets hurt or killed as long as they can own a dangerous fighting dog. The world is full of morons.

Yes Dogs do know right from wrong.... My Dogs know what they should do and what they shouldn't do. If Dogs didn't know right from wrong then NO Dog would be able to live with other Animals.
Human Beings are probably, besides grizzly Bears, the only Animals that kill for fun.
I agree there are too many Idiots out there who want "Designer" Dogs to look like they are some kind of tough guy.

[Greatday]

And, that "Huntin' thing" that Geeoro criticized - is something MILLIONS of Americans do, each and every year!

[KarmaPhx]

I have never met an agressive pit, stop believing the stereotypes and stop living in fear.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by KarmaPhx

I have never met an agressive pit, stop believing the stereotypes and stop living in fear.

Perhaps YOU have never "met" an aggressive Pit Bull but, there is certainly sufficient evidence that Pit Bulls are involved in far more "aggressive" style attacks on humans (including the killing of some) than other breeds.

The aggressive nature of this Breed (and several others) extends to the fact of a number of Insurance carriers will not write homeowners / renters insurance if a Pit (or a couple of other breeds) is going to occupy the dwelling.

So again - although you have not encountered a problem with a Pit Bull, enough other people have to the point where the breed is being excluded from being able to live in certain areas etc.

[leangk]

a bazooka in "good" hands is still a bazooka. I know pit bulls don't have the highest attack rate. But they do have the highest mortality rate. they are muscles machines and when it takes 8 bullets to stop something that is unpredictable and can flip at any time, people have a right to say no.

Again, pit bulls dont attack the most, but they kill the most, thats what counts.

[leangk]

Originally Posted by KarmaPhx

I have never met an agressive pit, stop believing the stereotypes and stop living in fear.

HAHAHA stereotypes. lets start a civil rights movement...