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We can just reverse that for you and your ilk. Since when did you NOT care what the world thought of the president. Hypocrisy.
Your cognitive dissonance is showing again. The ability of the US President to function effectively in the international arena is, and always has been, important. Obama has performed hugely well in restoring the credibility of that office and this nation, not only among global leaders, but with the peoples of the world as well. For eight long years, we were seen as an international pariah...the equivalent of an enraged bull in a very expensive china shop. In three short months, Obama has made that no more than a bitter memory. If right-wingers were even one-fourth the patriots they routinely claim to be, they would be praising Obama at least for that...
He has really opened it up. He deleted those parts of the memos that showed the techniques worked - he deliberately had them deleted. Now he is being called on that move by VP Cheney. Now it will come out that the democrats in congress, the leadership knew of the enhanced interrogations, signed off on them.
It is really a disgusting display by obama - playing politics with our national security.
And it all started when VP Cheney accused obama of making this country less safe with his roll-back of those policies that did just that - prevented another attack.
Could you list some of those policies that President Obama has rolled back for the benefit of this ignorant questioner? Thank you for your trouble.
For eight long years, we were seen as an international pariah...the equivalent of an enraged bull in a very expensive china shop. In three short months, Obama has made that no more than a bitter memory.
Oh hogwash. Bush garnered tremendous support in the war on terror, from countries around the world. He was even able to disarm a dangerous Libya of nuclear materials. The coordination and information sharing from the world's intelligence agencies was a tribute to bush. That "pariah" is just a talking point of the left and the liberal/socialist media worldwide. It is total BS and MSM construct that the "world" hated America during bushs' time. It is true that liberals, whether they be politicians, media, or just plain citizens, in countries around the world hated bush. And it just so happens that foreign governments and media are inundated with stinking liberals.
Yeah, maybe France and "old europe" were not too happy with bush at times, only because he exposed how truly weak and ineffectual they are. The Balkans sure loved bush. Russia, not so much.
What exactly has obama done to change anything? Just his very presence? His world-wide apology tour?
I'm sure they are loving him as he debases his own country and grovels at the feet of her enemies. That's exactly how you win friends in Europe, Iran and Venezuela.
Oh hogwash. Bush garnered tremendous support in the war on terror, from countries around the world.
Oh, you mean the Coalition of the Willing, I guess. You know...Angola, Palau, Tonga, Uganda. All the major nations who were told, no, you don't actually have to do anything, but if you want to keep receiving US foreign aid, you better agree to be members. That's how you get "tremendous support" for your blunderous adventurism if you're Bushie. When the government of that other major power, the Solomon Islands, was asked about appearing in the White House list of members, they said they were not aware of why they would be listed and denied being members of any sort at all.
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He was even able to disarm a dangerous Libya of nuclear materials.
LOL. Qaddafi was desperate to reopen trade with the West. He dressed up a meaningless nuclear program so as to have a bargaining chip in negotiations and fairly begged to have his "program" discovered by openly ordering and shipping components in international markets. Libya had tried to surrender to the US in the wake of 9/11, but their big push to capitulate in February 2002 was ignored, so they decided to go surrender to Europe instead.
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The coordination and information sharing from the world's intelligence agencies was a tribute to bush.
That's probably why the yellow-cake memos never made it into any of Bush's speeches. The Italians had branded them a fraud. IAEA called them a fraud the same day they first saw them. Even the CIA had told Bush to drop that matter from a foreign policy (sic) speech in Cincinatti in October of 2002. I won't go into Curveball, the Office of Special Programs, the Downing Street Memos, or the ignored warnings from the Departments of State and Energy that the aluminum tubes were not suitable for use in centrifuges. I'll just say that there was never anything about Bush's use of anybody's intelligence that was a tribute to anything other than his determination to deceive Congress and the American people.
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That "pariah" is just a talking point of the left and the liberal/socialist media worldwide. It is total BS and MSM construct that the "world" hated America during bushs' time. It is true that liberals, whether they be politicians, media, or just plain citizens, in countries around the world hated bush. And it just so happens that foreign governments and media are inundated with stinking liberals.
So your basic theory is that everybody who was disgusted by Bush was a liberal, and since pretty much everybody was disgusted by Bush, they must all have been liberals, and that's why they were disgusted by Bush. Typical right-wing thinking (sic) there, I'm afraid.
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The Balkans sure loved bush.
Yes, Albania was always very fond of Bush. That was the one place in the world he could go and expect to receive an actual welcome. What a triumph for him.
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What exactly has obama done to change anything? Just his very presence? His world-wide apology tour?
Thanks to the disastrous military and economic policies of His Bushiness, the US owed a lot of apologies around the world. Obama has had to walk a very fine line in conveying such apology without sacrificing standing. He has done a tremendous job of it. Kudos to Tim Geithner as well for pulling off some great diplomatic ground-laying work at the G20 Finance Ministers meetings in March. That was key in setting the stage for Obama's transcendant triumphs at the G20 Summit earlier this month.
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I'm sure they are loving him as he debases his own country and grovels at the feet of her enemies. That's exactly how you win friends in Europe, Iran and Venezuela.
Bushie blew off Europe and made entirely manageable situations in Iran and Venezuela unmanageable. That's called being stupid. But I guess it's also how you win friends among the American right-wing...they do seem to dig stupid.
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