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Old 04-27-2009, 02:57 PM
 
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You mean kind of like invading a country and toppling its leadership because it was suspected that they had "Weapons of Mass Destruction"? You can bet your bottom dollar that Israel's intelligence on what that ship was carrying was a hell of a lot better than Bush's "WMD" farce.
Don't count on it!

http://www.carnegieendowment.org/pub...4744&proj=znpp
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General Brom offers insight into why Israeli intelligence agencies miscalculated Saddam Hussein's actions. Israeli intelligence agents were convinced that Saddam Hussein posed an imminent threat because they held "a one-dimensional perception" of Saddam Hussein as an evil man "possessed by a compulsion to develop weapons of mass destruction in order to strike Israel and others."

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Old 04-27-2009, 03:19 PM
 
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The article is pretty confusing as to whether the ship was bombed, torpedoes or shelled.
Usually, when you torpedo a ship, it sinks. Did this one? I sure hope so.
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Old 04-27-2009, 03:21 PM
 
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I did not say Israel was wrong,

Well, hell, I will. Sinking a vessel on the high seas is an act of war, period. One can keep such a vessel from sailing into Israeli controlled waters but by every report this vessel was sailing to Sudan.

If the ship was involved in smuggling, then the proper course of action would have been to stop and board the vessel, ascertain its cargo and go from their. Absent that, this is a clear violation of international law and is wrong. And I don't give a damn who did it.
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Old 04-27-2009, 03:40 PM
 
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How did they know this ship was carrying weapons if they sank it? Maybe it did, maybe it didn't but now we will never know unless some dives on the ship and confirms this. Who were the sources, the same folks who think Timothy McVeigh conspired with Al Qaeda?
The report looks total bogus to me, but you could tell if there were munitions on board because there would be large secondary explosions in that case.

No way the US is involved in this.
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Old 04-27-2009, 03:53 PM
 
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The report looks total bogus to me, but you could tell if there were munitions on board because there would be large secondary explosions in that case.

No way the US is involved in this.
How do you determine whether a secondary explosion is caused by munitions or other materials which are explosively ignite?
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Old 04-27-2009, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Pa
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If Israel did in fact sink this ship one can hardly blame them. An ounce of prevention and all that.
The irony I find in all this? WE arm Israel. They destroy cities and we pay to rebuild the cities.... All so Israel can destroy them yet again. Thats what makes this such a twisted plot.
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Old 04-27-2009, 03:54 PM
 
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If Israel did in fact sink this ship one can hardly blame them. An ounce of prevention and all that.

"All that" is a violation of international law.
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Old 04-27-2009, 04:47 PM
 
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"All that" is a violation of international law.

So is cutting the head off of suspected homosexuals, Christians, and other infadels.
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Old 04-27-2009, 04:51 PM
 
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The report looks total bogus to me, but you could tell if there were munitions on board because there would be large secondary explosions in that case.

No way the US is involved in this.
I can't answer the first part but whether the US was involved or not, but according to the Jerusalem Post:
'Iranian arms ship destroyed near Sudan' | Iran news | Jerusalem Post

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While Israeli spokespeople did not comment on allegations of the country's involvement, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert hinted that Israel carried out the strikes, vowing that it would hit terrorist infrastructure wherever it was.
I get the feeling that the US is going to be refraining from any overt actions or creating any incidents that would further inflame tensions in the region considering the current economic and military situation.

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Well, hell, I will. Sinking a vessel on the high seas is an act of war, period. One can keep such a vessel from sailing into Israeli controlled waters but by every report this vessel was sailing to Sudan.

If the ship was involved in smuggling, then the proper course of action would have been to stop and board the vessel, ascertain its cargo and go from their. Absent that, this is a clear violation of international law and is wrong. And I don't give a damn who did it.
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"All that" is a violation of international law.
Well, I know nothing of maritime or international law as it relates to shipping, so, I can't really comment other than this seems to be a serious issue right now. Aside from who sank what, the idea of arming civilian cargo ships with weapons or military personnel is a hot issue right with high seas piracy so rampant.

I haven't had time but if anyone has any information or links to maritime international law as it relates to this topic, please by all means post it, I would be interested in reading on it.
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Old 04-27-2009, 04:52 PM
 
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So is cutting the head off of suspected homosexuals, Christians, and other infadels.
So it torture and waterboarding but what does that have to do with the sinking of this ship?
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