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Old 04-30-2009, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Of course pro-choice is the same as pro-abortion, There are only two possible choices. To abort and not to abort. You already have the freedom not to abort. What's left? Abortion.
No, pro-choice is to keep the options open for women, where pro-life seeks to close one of the options.

 
Old 04-30-2009, 12:59 PM
 
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An embryo "is" a human. Being implies sentience. Which is arguable at which stage a fetus gets sentience. But it's generally at the 24 week mark, which in most cases, is the very latest you can legally get an abortion.

Whether or not the embryo will develop into an adult human being, however, is irrelevant.
You set up a strawman so you could knock it down. That an embryo is a living human being implies nothing else. "Sentience" is a developmental milestone which neatly falls under my definition.

I didn't realize the compactness and power of my definition. So far it's stood up to every test you pro-abortion people have thrown at it. No one has yet to refute it.
 
Old 04-30-2009, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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You set up a strawman so you could knock it down. That an embryo is a living human being implies nothing else. "Sentience" is a developmental milestone which neatly falls under my definition.
No matter how you slice it, however, it doesn't change my opinion of abortion.
 
Old 04-30-2009, 01:01 PM
 
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No, pro-choice is to keep the options open for women, where pro-life seeks to close one of the options.
Abortions are what you people are after. If you weren't, you wouldn't bother.
 
Old 04-30-2009, 01:02 PM
 
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No matter how you slice it, however, it doesn't change my opinion of abortion.
Then you're saying you know you are killing human life, but you want to do it anyway.
 
Old 04-30-2009, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Abortions are what you people are after. If you weren't, you wouldn't bother.
Do you know me personally?

Do you know the majority of the pro-choice movement personally?

How can you honestly claim that all we want is for women to abort?

I am a father, and a husband. I will stand by my wife through anything. Should she get pregnant, and want an abortion, I will do my best to support her. Should she get pregnant, and want to keep the cihld, I will do my best to support her.

That is all I really care about: for my wife to have the option available to her should the situation arise.
 
Old 04-30-2009, 01:05 PM
 
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Then you're saying you know you are killing human life, but you want to do it anyway.
Yes, I am saying such. I never denied that it was human life, just that it has sentience at the point where most abortions are performed.

However, I do not believe that a fetus has the same standing as an already born human.
 
Old 04-30-2009, 01:10 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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A human embryo "is" a human being
A human embryo "will develop into" an adult human being.

There's your difference, chum

Well, chum, you're obviously incapable of understanding THERE IS A VAST DIFFERENCE.

Listen closely, a fertilized egg IS NOT a human being

A human being has a heartbeat

A fertilized egg does not

Ergo, a fertilized egg IS NOT a human being

You can rant for eternity, it will not change that simple fact
 
Old 04-30-2009, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Well, chum, you're obviously incapable of understanding THERE IS A VAST DIFFERENCE.

Listen closely, a fertilized egg IS NOT a human being

A human being has a heartbeat

A fertilized egg does not

Ergo, a fertilized egg IS NOT a human being

You can rant for eternity, it will not change that simple fact

It IS, however, undeniably human life. The only part of it that CAN be debated is the "being" part, as "being" implies personhood.
 
Old 04-30-2009, 01:13 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Abortions are what you people are after. If you weren't, you wouldn't bother.


No, what Pro-Choice people are after is keeping self-righteous noses from where they do not belong.
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