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Old 09-30-2009, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Okay, I get you!

I think that if the man and woman are involved in a serious, monogamous relationship, where the woman feels safe to tell the man and to ask for his input, then yes, he should be involved in the decision-making.

But I understand, as well, when a woman doesn't feel safe to include him in the process. You have to remember that women are most often assaulted and attacked by men they know, men they've dated, men they've even married. If a woman feels that her autonomy will be threatened, by someone who is abusive or controlling, then she has the right to consider how best to inform the man, or whether to inform him.
The OP i was in the discussion with would disagree on the first part of your statement.
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Old 09-30-2009, 02:22 PM
 
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The OP i was in the discussion with would disagree on the first part of your statement.
Are you asking me to stop arguing with you and to start arguing with that poster?
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Old 09-30-2009, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Are you asking me to stop arguing with you and to start arguing with that poster?
First i consider our discussion genuine with mutual respect not an argument. I will not change your mind, you will not change mine and we have kept the discourse civil.
Who you choose to argue with is your concern.
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Old 09-30-2009, 02:42 PM
 
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First i consider our discussion genuine with mutual respect not an argument. I will not change your mind, you will not change mine and we have kept the discourse civil.
Who you choose to argue with is your concern.
I guess I was just thinking that since we had a disagreement, that we were arguing. But it was civil, and I am sincere when I say that I respect your position on this topic. It is an emotional issue, and that's as it should be, because we are talking about very important things.

And I was just being facetious with my earlier remark about arguing with someone else.
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Old 09-30-2009, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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So the father has no say in a child.
Father's job is to work and financially support his wife/family. Childrearing is HER responsibility, not his.
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Old 09-30-2009, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Childrearing is HER responsibility, not his.
WHOA there Bubba - Childrearing is the Mother and FATHERS responsibility!

What century do you live in TK??
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Old 09-30-2009, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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So what you are saying is men can have sex whoever they want with any result and they have no responsibility or obligations to the woman, that the woman has all the rights and responsibility.

i cant believe you believe that.
Didn't say a thing about a man's obligations. Said it wasn't his decision.
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Old 09-30-2009, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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If the woman is the one making all the decisions as the OP said. the how is it the mans responsibility.
Personally i disagree with the OP . I think the responsibility is with both men and woman. If the Op was right it is the womans body therefore why would any man take any responsibility.
if a man can have no say in what a womans uterus does then so be it free sex for men with no responsibility
Unless you're keeping her chained in your basement, you can't force a woman to have your "love child". It is ultimately her decision. That doesn't mean a man doesn't have responsibilities.

What if they both agree that they don't want children, yet she changes her mind and stops taking birth control, or sabotages his? He can't stop her from having a kid either...even though he was clear about his intentions from the start.
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