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Old 04-30-2009, 02:29 PM
 
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JustNancy said:

However, when people use the Bible and their personal religious beliefs to tell others how to live, they are not interested in the law, only proseletyzing and, therefore, will never agree to a compromise.

What are pro-abortion people doing but using their own personal beliefs to tell others how to live? And how do you compromise on abortion? Either you think people should be allowed to execute little humans or you don't. As long as leftwinger believe abortion should be allowed, you can't squawk about prolifers not compromising.

I don't see the difference between birth control pills, condoms and other forms of prevention and taking a pill after intercourse.

The difference is whether fertilization has occurred. That's what makes birth control pills worse than condoms. Although condoms are wrong for other reasons.

How anyone can argue that a few hours after a rape, a woman has already conceived and a life has begun is beyond my understanding,

Why do you choose to ignore science and logic? Reread by irrefutable definition in post #10. A woman's being raped is completely irrelevant to the fact that her embryo is a living human being.

The only reason people want to be artificially inseminated with their own embryos is because of their egos. Read all the passages in the Bible and tell me where it says you should only love a baby that has the same blue eye or the same color skin.

You are finally right. But don't forget the brown-skinned and brown-eyed people who don't want blue-eyed children. The racism you are implying cuts both ways.

Then there are those who scream that abortion is murder, yet when the mother can't afford medical care, complain that she is using government resources and complain even more when she needs Food Stamps or other assistance when the child is born.

So...your solution is simply to kill the kid in advance? How is THAT a solution. Your compassion is overwhelming. Just hack the child to death before it can be born.

The same hypocrites cry that embryonic stem cell research is unethical but don't seem to care too much about the living, breathing children, like the ones we blow up in Iraq or disfigure in Afghanistan.

You got all the cliches and talking points down, don't you? America takes great pains to avoid hurting children in a war. If we didn't, we could have nuked Iraq and ended the war in 45 minutes. That's the only reason the war took as long as it did.

So am I pro-abortion? Of course not. But I am definitely pro-choice.

This is nothing but hypocritical double-talk. Of course you're pro-abortion. You want people to be able to have abortions.


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Old 04-30-2009, 02:29 PM
 
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Hate to break it to you, but you are forced to wear a seatbelt. You are forced to wear clothes. etc etc. Your body is controlled in many annoyingly small ways that seem normal to us now. Women who get abortions have abnormally high suicide rates...guilt perhaps?

Have you ever had one?

Huh? Link please or the refererence material your using.
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:29 PM
 
Location: new mexico
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Although pregnancy weakens suicidal impulses, there is strong evidence that abortion dramatically increases the risk of suicide. According to a 1986 study by researchers at the University of Minnesota, a teenage girl is 10 times more likely to attempt suicide if she has had an abortion in the last six months than is a comparable teenage girl who has not had an abortion.(2) Other studies have found similar statistical significance between a history of abortion and suicide attempts among adults. Thus, the actual data suggests that abortion is far more likely to drive an unstable woman to suicide than is pregnancy and childbirth.
Abortion and Suicide - David C. Reardon.
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:33 PM
 
Location: new mexico
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Never, in modern times — except by a small group of physicians in Hitler’s Germany and by Stalin in Russia — has a price tag of economic or social use-fullness been placed on an individual human life as the price of its continued existence.
Never, in modern times — except by physicians in Hitler’s Germany — has a certain physical perfection been required as a condition necessary for the continuation of that life.
Never — since the law of paterfamilias in ancient Rome — has a major nation granted to a father or mother total dominion over the life or death of their child.
Never, in modern times, has the state granted to one citizen the absolute legal right to have another killed in order to solve their own personal, social or economic problem. And yet, if this is human life, the U.S. Supreme
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Not even a good attempt at glossing over the fact there is no pro-abortion side.
No, there is, there's just so few people on it that you don't hear from them.
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:33 PM
 
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Although pregnancy weakens suicidal impulses, there is strong evidence that abortion dramatically increases the risk of suicide. According to a 1986 study by researchers at the University of Minnesota, a teenage girl is 10 times more likely to attempt suicide if she has had an abortion in the last six months than is a comparable teenage girl who has not had an abortion.(2) Other studies have found similar statistical significance between a history of abortion and suicide attempts among adults. Thus, the actual data suggests that abortion is far more likely to drive an unstable woman to suicide than is pregnancy and childbirth.
Abortion and Suicide - David C. Reardon.

No..do you have any credible/recent information to back up your statement?
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Somewhere East of Laramie
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Why do you choose to ignore science and logic? Reread by irrefutable definition in post #10. A woman's being raped is completely irrelevant to the fact that her embryo is a living human being.

Post #10 is NOTHING but YOUR opinion, you supplied NOTHING in the way of science or logic to validate that opinion.
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Although pregnancy weakens suicidal impulses, there is strong evidence that abortion dramatically increases the risk of suicide. According to a 1986 study by researchers at the University of Minnesota, a teenage girl is 10 times more likely to attempt suicide if she has had an abortion in the last six months than is a comparable teenage girl who has not had an abortion.(2) Other studies have found similar statistical significance between a history of abortion and suicide attempts among adults. Thus, the actual data suggests that abortion is far more likely to drive an unstable woman to suicide than is pregnancy and childbirth.
Abortion and Suicide - David C. Reardon.
Can you use something newer than 1987?

I've got a more recent link, which is full of personal testimonies:

I'm Not Sorry
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Somewhere East of Laramie
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No, there is, there's just so few people on it that you don't hear from them.

More like there's NO-one to hear from.

Being pro-choice is far from being pro-abortion.
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:37 PM
 
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Hate to break it to you, but you are forced to wear a seatbelt. You are forced to wear clothes. etc etc. Your body is controlled in many annoyingly small ways that seem normal to us now. Women who get abortions have abnormally high suicide rates...guilt perhaps?

Have you ever had one?

What exactly comprises abnormally high suicide rates?

The overall suicide rate for women has declined since Roe v Wade. Women in their forties are most at risk.

Statistically there is a link between abortion and suicidal women, but the nature of that link has not been shown to be causative. That is to say, your suggestion that guilt is the sole nature of the link is naive (and that's to give you the benefit of the doubt). Relationship problems, physical abuse, psychiatric problems, financial problems, substance abuse, anxiety are all issue in women's live which drive them to consider abortion. Those issues don't go away after the abortion.

FactCheck.org: Abortion Distortions
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