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Old 04-30-2009, 11:42 AM
 
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Babies aren't acorns.

Fetuses aren't babies
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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I've already proven in an earlier thread (inexplicably merged with another) why an embryo is scientifically a living human being beyond the shadow of a doubt. (I reposted it in post #10 on this thread).
The human part is inarguable. The being, however, is very arguable.

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I'm sure we all agree that the person most affected by an action should be the one making decisions pertaining to it.
Correct.

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In the case of abortion, that would be the child.
Arguable. The fetus wouldn't have known either way, therefore it can't be as affected as the one who is doing the action.



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"Are you glad you are born, or do you wish you had been aborted?"
I don't care either way. If I was aborted, I wouldn't have known, and nobody would have known me. Only my mother and father would have been affected.

The question you propose is irrelevant.


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So, since the average person is overwhelmingly likely to be glad he was born, WHO THE HELL IS ANYONE TO MAKE THE DECISION TO KILL A FETUS BEFORE IT IS BORN?
The person who's nutrients is being sapped? If they don't want the unwanted mass of tissue that is affecting their health and their future, they shouldn't be forced to bear it.

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It's a simple matter of applying the golden rule. If you wouldn't have chosen death for yourself, how could you choose it for somebody else?
Quite easily.

I don't consider a fetus to be a "somebody" until it's past the point of viability.
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Abortion is far more violent than rape, and it always results in death. Is that what you mean by the analogy not working? Not a fair comparison?

The whole point of the debate is that abortion should not be legal. You're essentially saying 'abortion should be legal because it's legal'.
Abortion should be legal because a woman should have the right to control what is in her body. The only way that I can honestly see that we stop the termination of fetuses is to create artificial wombs. Even then, there are some who don't want their genetic material to be passed on.

And abortion is hardly as violent as rape. Rape is much more painful and scarring than abortion.
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:51 AM
 
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Please. Liberal abortion agenda? Same could be said about your "agenda".

It is as simple as this. If you are prolife, DONT HAVE AN ABORTION.

Simple as that. Abortion is someone elses personal matter. I am sure you would not like people getting all up in your business so stay out of other peoples business.

Simple, eh? Veryyyyy simple.


The don't like it don't do it logic doesn't always work.

"If you don't like child molestation don't molest kids"

but stay out of other peoples business

"If you don't like female genitale mutilation, don't do it"

but stay out of other peoples business

....sometimes you have to reach out if you see others getting hurt or killed by people's choices
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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The don't like it don't do it logic doesn't always work.

"If you don't like child molestation don't molest kids"

but stay out of other peoples business

"If you don't like female genitale mutilation, don't do it"

but stay out of other peoples business

....sometimes you have to reach out if you see others getting hurt or killed by people's choices
The problem with your analogies, is that they are actually harming productive members of societies whos rights are protected under the constitution.
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:58 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Emeraldmaiden View Post
<shakes head>

Should we all live by your moral code and quirky logic?

Genocide is, of course, illegal, as is assault. Abortion is not, and, but for a limited period of time, has not been. Mostly, abortion was not reported or discussed. The difference is that we now keep statistics on it.

Even in Biblical times, an assault which caused the end of a pregnancy was only considered an assault on the woman, not a baby. There was no punishment for aborting the fetus by assault, and babies were not considered legally human until they had been alive outside the woman's body for a certain period of time (different for boys & girls).

all of these anti-abortionists seem to have forgotten what happened to not only women but their newborns during the time when abortion was illegal. What really pisses me off is when i hear on the news or read the paper and here that a newborn was found in a garbage can or on the street dead.
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:59 AM
 
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Abortion is far more violent than rape, and it always results in death. Is that what you mean by the analogy not working? Not a fair comparison?

The whole point of the debate is that abortion should not be legal. You're essentially saying 'abortion should be legal because it's legal'.

Abortion is no where NEAR as violent ass rape.
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Old 04-30-2009, 12:00 PM
 
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The problem with your analogies, is that they are actually harming productive members of societies whos rights are protected under the constitution.
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Langlen,

Your posts and arguments are simply AMAZING!

Thank you for being pro choice and protecting the womans choice. You just knocked all of their claims out of question.

I will always fight to keep Roe Vs Wade no matter how much people want to cry about it.

My body, my right, my choice.
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Old 04-30-2009, 12:00 PM
 
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all of these anti-abortionists seem to have forgotten what happened to not only women but their newborns during the time when abortion was illegal. What really pisses me off is when i hear on the news or read the paper and here that a newborn was found in a garbage can or on the street dead.
It pisses me off too. It just goes to show that there is no personal responsibility, as i've been saying all along, and babies end up dead either way. Sad state of affairs, all in the name of "me,me,me".
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Old 04-30-2009, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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It pisses me off too. It just goes to show that there is no personal responsibility, as i've been saying all along, and babies end up dead either way. Sad state of affairs, all in the name of "me,me,me".

It's not always irresponsible to abort though. Getting into the situation where the woman is pregnant might've been irresponsible, but the decision to abort isn't by rule irresponsible.

It may be selfish, but that's humanity in general right there.
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