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this has always bothered me. I have some far left extremist friends who are pro choice, and pro smoking and trans fat bans. I am pro choice to an extent. I think I have a problem with late term abortions, but early term stuff doesn't bother me. if you belive in the right of the individual, then how can you be pro choice and pro smoking bans? if we have the right to choose, we can choose to eat and hang out at non smoking or smoking places right? also, I believe in financial abortion. the woman has a say over her body, the man should have the say over his money. any thoughts? I know this is kind of two topics all wrapped up into one, but whatever.
A guy sued a few years ago because he made it clear he didn't want kids. His case was supposed to be the male Roe V. Wade. You see how far it went. Females are 53% of the population. We're just along for the ride. They like having the option of ending the relationship and still having us pay for their kids. Men pay either way. That won't change.
Because smoking pollutes the air that non smokers breathe. A pro choice person having an abortion does nothing to an anti-choice person's health or well being.
Non-smokers pollute the air as well.
Also...the kid that was aborted would grow up to pay taxes/SS if they had a chance...that certainly affects someone's well being. And it has a lot to do with the baby's well being.
this has always bothered me. I have some far left extremist friends who are pro choice, and pro smoking and trans fat bans. I am pro choice to an extent. I think I have a problem with late term abortions, but early term stuff doesn't bother me. if you belive in the right of the individual, then how can you be pro choice and pro smoking bans? if we have the right to choose, we can choose to eat and hang out at non smoking or smoking places right? also, I believe in financial abortion. the woman has a say over her body, the man should have the say over his money. any thoughts? I know this is kind of two topics all wrapped up into one, but whatever.
This is a bit jumbled but:
1) abortion is justified under right of privacy principles -- the woman has the right to control her body, including the fate of her embryo.
2) smoking bans are based on public health arguments -- second hand smoke harms bystanders and while other patrons can choose not to patronize the bar/restaurant, the employee does not have much choice. That's at least the rationale... it just makes zero sense to compare the two. I suppose you can use that argument to rail against anything that has no connection, e.g., a woman can abort her fetus but I have to wear a seatbelt!? Yeah, but there is no connection.
3) financial abortion? You mean a man forcing a woman to have an abortion because he does not want to take care of the baby? Is that a real conundrum in your mind? Nobody had dominion over another person's body. It just so happens that females get pregnant... so they have the say over their bodies. The man's protection is obviously in the front-end. He can choose to not have sex or to use protection. I don't get the standard you are trying to set up... are you advocating that a man should be able to force a woman to have an abortion or to use an argument of "I didn't want it" as to excuse him from his parental obligations?
Sorry, but your thoughts don't make much sense to me.
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right back at ya. your thoughts made absolutely no sense to me.
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This is a bit jumbled but:
1) abortion is justified under right of privacy principles -- the woman has the right to control her body, including the fate of her embryo.
2) smoking bans are based on public health arguments -- second hand smoke harms bystanders and while other patrons can choose not to patronize the bar/restaurant, the employee does not have much choice. That's at least the rationale... it just makes zero sense to compare the two. I suppose you can use that argument to rail against anything that has no connection, e.g., a woman can abort her fetus but I have to wear a seatbelt!? Yeah, but there is no connection.
3) financial abortion? You mean a man forcing a woman to have an abortion because he does not want to take care of the baby? Is that a real conundrum in your mind? Nobody had dominion over another person's body. It just so happens that females get pregnant... so they have the say over their bodies. The man's protection is obviously in the front-end. He can choose to not have sex or to use protection. I don't get the standard you are trying to set up... are you advocating that a man should be able to force a woman to have an abortion or to use an argument of "I didn't want it" as to excuse him from his parental obligations?
Sorry, but your thoughts don't make much sense to me.
If a man cannot convince a woman to freely bear and raise his children he should not be creating any. A man cannot force a woman to have an abortion or not. If she chooses to have a child the man that helped her conceive is liable for supporting both of them until the kid is an adult.
Creating children is a big responsibility. Don’t play the game if you do not want to pay the potential fee.
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And I agree. If the women can just decide to have an abortion...then by all means, the man should be able to decide if he wants to be any part of the kids/woman's life afterwards. Financially and physically.
A man has 100% choice over his own body. If he does not want to give a woman the exact same control over hers, he can keep his pants zipped. Then it absolutely is 100% his choice.
So men only have the choice before the act is commited. Am I understanding you right? Women also have that same choice. Am I right on that part as well?
Why would a women need a 2nd chance at the choice? Are you implying they cant make a rational decision? They are too emotional to be able to make the choice at the beginning?
right back at ya. your thoughts made absolutely no sense to me.
That's not true, boss... you can follow my thoughts... and I did not mean to offend you... just pointing out that your thoughts were jumbled. Don't be mad.
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And it has a lot to do with the baby's well being.
