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"No they don't but that leaves a lot of gray room."
Such as?
Can they be subjected to the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; can they be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against themselfs, or be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; or have their private property taken for public use, without just compensation?
Can they be denied information regarding the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in their favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence?
What I'm wondering is why Obama hasn't started (and not just talking about it) pushing for prosecutions for torture?
First of all, that is not the President's purview, it is the purview of the Attorney General. Second, it would be more than a tad bit prejudicial for the President to start chiming in prior to either a criminal investigation mush less a criminal trial by jury.
First of all, that is not the President's purview, it is the purview of the Attorney General. Second, it would be more than a tad bit prejudicial for the President to start chiming in prior to either a criminal investigation mush less a criminal trial by jury.
Oh I understand he has no authority to prosecute anyone himself. That's why I said "push for prosecution."
So to prove to me that the Convention of Torture was ratified in 1994 to cover EVERYONE, you provide a document created in November 2007..
The problem is that in 1994 the Congress passed laws which says
"other acts of cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment which do not amount to torture" (emphasis added).
Legally, waterboarding is not torture, (although one can argue that it should be) and the being a Guatanamo Bay prisoner is not a degrading treatment or being torture in and of it self.
Nothing says that they should have the same rights as US Citizens, and moving to "waterboarding" is off topic.
NUMBSKULLS?? Ok, here we go. You cannot equate terrorists with POW's or terrorism with war.
The US subscribes to the Geneva Convention and does not support the torture of enemy combatants who are captured and in doing so expects the same treatment of our soldiers.
Did the German, Japanese, Korean or Vietnamese governments play by these rules? No but they claimed they did.
Terrorists are not soldiers of a government army. They are murderers' that target innocent people. Their only purpose is to promote their cause and damn those that get in the way. They have no rules, no morals or ethics.
They brainwash their neighbors and use their children as weapons to kill other innocents. They deserve no special treatment or protection from any government.
F**k'em, and shame on the Obama administration and all the talking heads on TV for making an issue of this.
How soon we forget 9/11. It's only been a few years.
America is not perfect but we are a damn sight better than these animals that thirst for the blood of innocents in the name of their God.
HELL YES they should be tortured and treated as harshly as needed to protect us.
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Originally Posted by ovcatto
The question is poorly posed.
No, Guantanamo prisoners do not deserve the same "civil rights" as citzens, but the do have the right to Constitutional guarantees of due process, particularly the privilege of habeas corpus and the rights covered by the 5th and 6th Amendment.
So to prove to me that the Convention of Torture was ratified in 1994 to cover EVERYONE, you provide a document created in November 2007..
The problem is that in 1994 the Congress passed laws which says
"other acts of cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment which do not amount to torture" (emphasis added).
Legally, waterboarding is not torture, (although one can argue that it should be) and the being a Guatanamo Bay prisoner is not a degrading treatment or being torture in and of it self.
Nothing says that they should have the same rights as US Citizens, and moving to "waterboarding" is off topic.
We've already proven by the Government own words and testimony of Govenment official that Water boarding is torture. We've put people to death for waterboarding
You've run out of line. I've come to the conclusion you know nothing about the law, you don't know how to read in context. You're hopeless.
Because he priortizes politics over the Rule of Law. Period.
It doesn't happen often but this time I agree with you completely.
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