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Old 05-02-2009, 06:22 PM
 
Location: NJ
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When he was running, I dismissed Ron Paul as a self-serving nut because he opposed the war. See, Paul believed that Bill Maher and Keith Olbermann had him on their shows because he was a fresh face. Hardly. They USED him to hammer Bush on the war. If you remember, Paul attacked Bush far more than he went after Democrats. Had he repeatedly said "Barack Obama is the most dangerous man running because he is a socialist", his talk show gigs would have met an abrupt end.

At the moment, with our spiral into socialism, Paul would look pretty damn good, though.
george w bush should be a hero to the anti-war folk. he has made war completely unaffordable. how am i ever going to support a war when i know that it also involves many years of reconstructing the enemy country in a failed attempt to make them into a civilized nation? i supported the iraq war, and still think it was right. but if i knew what we were getting stuck with, i would have been against it.

 
Old 05-02-2009, 06:23 PM
 
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You guys have a right to be as conservative as you want to be, obviously, but winning elections almost always requires winning the moderates. You really do have to appeal to the center unless your plan is to try to galvanize enough conservatives to overwhelm the liberal and moderate voters in every election.
How did it work out for McCain, the centrist, in getting the centrist vote? In order for the GOP to get that vote, theyhave to be strong in their conservative principles?

But wait. You aren't conservative. You're trying to give us bad advice.
 
Old 05-02-2009, 06:26 PM
 
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george w bush should be a hero to the anti-war folk. he has made war completely unaffordable. how am i ever going to support a war when i know that it also involves many years of reconstructing the enemy country in a failed attempt to make them into a civilized nation? i supported the iraq war, and still think it was right. but if i knew what we were getting stuck with, i would have been against it.
Although...Iraq has worked out far better than the left predicted. It was supposed to be a disaster. It's relatively peaceful now.
 
Old 05-02-2009, 06:29 PM
 
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And that's what makes the Palins pro-choice.
Nope. You people have bastardized the term. You piously use 'choice' when you mean you want abortion.
 
Old 05-02-2009, 06:31 PM
 
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You're skating on thin ice among conservatives with those thoughts.
He's a liberal on abortion.
 
Old 05-02-2009, 06:40 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Although...Iraq has worked out far better than the left predicted. It was supposed to be a disaster. It's relatively peaceful now.
ultimately we will leave and it will fall into civil war. maybe war with its neighbors.

either way, i couldnt care less about the people of iraq. there is no success for america there. we should have left when we killed saddam hussein so at least we could have pretended to have a successful completion.
 
Old 05-02-2009, 06:40 PM
 
Location: America's heartland
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The so-called religious right has been pushed into a corner by the left-wing circus that is running Washington D.C. and the national media.

In reality today's core values of the so-called religious right were once mainstream America. It used to be common sense and proper manners to not use drugs recreationally, to engage in sexuality after you took your wedding vows, to righfully shun abnormal lifestyles such as homosexuality, to not regard the unborn as an accident worthy of abortion, to take responsibility for your own actions without playing the blame game, to be able to afford things before you bought them, to be proud of being an American citizen, to be a legal immigrant that speaks proper English, to be willing to fight for your country, to not fear admitting your faith in God.

Those are beliefs of the so-called religious right, and there is not a single thing wrong with any of them. Society along the way has lost its morality, and we are dearly paying the price for it. The so-called religious right represents mainstream, common-sense family, moral values. To us the pro-homosexuality, pro-amnesty, abortion-on-demand, non-religious, socialist liberal minds of today are the radicals; and that is what the Democrats have become with their far-left agenda.
 
Old 05-02-2009, 06:42 PM
 
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When he was running, I dismissed Ron Paul as a self-serving nut because he opposed the war. See, Paul believed that Bill Maher and Keith Olbermann had him on their shows because he was a fresh face. Hardly. They USED him to hammer Bush on the war. If you remember, Paul attacked Bush far more than he went after Democrats. Had he repeatedly said "Barack Obama is the most dangerous man running because he is a socialist", his talk show gigs would have met an abrupt end.

At the moment, with our spiral into socialism, Paul would look pretty damn good, though.
Ron Paul running with Colin Powell would have kicked Obama's butt back to Indonesia.
 
Old 05-02-2009, 06:43 PM
 
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Darned good stuff! I agree all the way down the line with you.

All this religion stuff was NEVER an issue until about 1985 or so when Jerry Falwell had to stick his nose into politics. It's been crazy ever since and I'm delighted that religion seems to be fading as a force in politics. Before Falwell, we all went to church and sat by each GOP and DEM alike, then hurried home to see the Redskins. People used to sit around and discuss the similarities and differences of their various doctrines, but it was never like it is now, where now, if you're not with us then you're agin' us, now, it's "all or none" and now it's either "friend or foe." Too bad for all us.
This is just incorrect. Religion became a serious force in politics in after 1973 and the Roe decision. That's the mechanism that galvanized religious conservatives. It's why the Catholic vote has moved steadily from Democrats to the Republicans. Abortion was a strong election issue in 1976 BEFORE the moral majority. Prior to '73 it wasn't an election issue and religion was much less so.
 
Old 05-02-2009, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Iraq was insane. It is not our place to establish "civilization" or "democracy" around the world. We need to put the lives of Americans first and foremost and not just ship our young men off to risk their lives fighting for people of other countries when they don't even want us there in the first place!

The real reason for the war was oil. The money could have been better spent developing alternative energy sources so that we could rely only on American oil and the alternative sources.

War is a liberal policy, not a conservative one!

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