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Yes, the republicans have allowed religion - particularily a southern evangelical form of christianity - to over run the party. Where there used to be conservative values, now there are 'moral majority' and 'religious right' infused ideology.
Needless to say, I am not a republican anymore.
Someone asked why Huckabee and Romney didn't get the nomination.
Easy.
Romney was a mormon and according to the southern christians (primarily baptists and again, born agains and evangelicals) the only thing worse then a wiccan or a catholic would be a morman. There is no way in hell those people would allow someone they consider to be a paganist to become the GOPs potus candidate.
As far as Huckabee, the man is a tool with a possible sociopathic douchebag for a son. 'nuff said
Yes, the republicans have allowed religion - particularily a southern evangelical form of christianity - to over run the party. Where there used to be conservative values, now there are 'moral majority' and 'religious right' infused ideology.
Needless to say, I am not a republican anymore.
And what has the party actually pushed by policy or law reflective of that religious ideology?
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Someone asked why Huckabee and Romney didn't get the nomination.
Easy.
Romney was a mormon and according to the southern christians (primarily baptists and again, born agains and evangelicals) the only thing worse then a wiccan or a catholic would be a morman. There is no way in hell those people would allow someone they consider to be a paganist to become the GOPs potus candidate.
Perhaps it was because liberal states (early primaries) created the momentum for a liberal Republican candidate and not religious biases. As a "southern" type of Christian I would have been happy with either Romeny or Huckabee though I have serious issues with at least one of those candidates' faith.
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As far as Huckabee, the man is a tool with a possible sociopathic douchebag for a son. 'nuff said
Yeah, because candidates' kids are the best way to pick a candidate.
And what has the party actually pushed by policy or law reflective of that religious ideology?
good god man! Did you not watch the Republican convention? God this, god that. I for one have no problem with a religious convocation but this bordered on the ridiculous. And anyway doesn't the phrases 'moral majority' and ' the religious right' ring a bell? The GOP has embraced those labels. Plus, the republicans reasoning behind being prolife and against gay marriage is both biblical.
Perhaps it was because liberal states (early primaries) created the momentum for a liberal Republican candidate and not religious biases. As a "southern" type of Christian I would have been happy with either Romeny or Huckabee though I have serious issues with at least one of those candidates' faith.
You would have been a little lonely, then. When Fox news is having stories about the difficulty of the south embracing a mormon gop potus nominee then you know you have trouble.
Yeah, because candidates' kids are the best way to pick a candidate.
Normally I would completely agree with you. In this case the difference is that there is evidence that Huckabee used his office as govenor to save his son from facing charges he mutiliated and tortured a dog to death.
Once Huckabee as a sitting governor actively intervened on his sons behalf in order to circumvent the judicial system then and only then does the actions of a candidates child become a litmus test on the charector of the candidate himself.
And what has the party actually pushed by policy or law reflective of that religious ideology? good god man! Did you not watch the Republican convention? God this, god that. I for one have no problem with a religious convocation but this bordered on the ridiculous. And anyway doesn't the phrases 'moral majority' and ' the religious right' ring a bell? The GOP has embraced those labels. Plus, the republicans reasoning behind being prolife and against gay marriage is both biblical. Perhaps you could actually answer the question I asked next time around. Now bolded for clarification.
Perhaps it was because liberal states (early primaries) created the momentum for a liberal Republican candidate and not religious biases. As a "southern" type of Christian I would have been happy with either Romeny or Huckabee though I have serious issues with at least one of those candidates' faith. You would have been a little lonely, then. When Fox news is having stories about the difficulty of the south embracing a mormon gop potus nominee then you know you have trouble. If I remember correctly, that was a question asked (difficulty with Mormons) or a potential problem but I don't recall the news saying "oh yeah, he's screwed."
Yeah, because candidates' kids are the best way to pick a candidate.
Normally I would completely agree with you. In this case the difference is that there is evidence that Huckabee used his office as govenor to save his son from facing charges he mutiliated and tortured a dog to death.
Once Huckabee as a sitting governor actively intervened on his sons behalf in order to circumvent the judicial system then and only then does the actions of a candidates child become a litmus test on the charector of the candidate himself. And what politician hasn't abused their office?
The fact that the republican party is hell bent on restricting abortion laws and prohibiting gay marriage based on biblical leanings of its members is proof enough.
And there were many stories, again on Fox, about the uneasiness surrounding Romneys mormonism. Of course it didn't help that the FDL cult in Texas completely made national news during the primaries. I feel - can't prove - that the GOP pressured Romney to bow out during that time.
And as to your comment that all politicians abuse their office --- maybe so. But damnit, when they are caught at it there should be ramifications to those abuses. I don't care if it is Huckabee or Kennedy the same rules should apply. And that belief is what seperates the true conservatives from the religious nutjobs who have taken over the party.
To be fair though, the moderate Republicans usually aren't very religious, but do things to keep their Christian conservative right audience. George Bush waited until he was out of office to say the Bible shouldn't be taken literally word for word.
This why their party continue to die and eventually will die.
Wrong again!
"Clergy and staffers of religious organizations are giving more to Democratic campaigns this year, marking a shift from four years ago when Republicans had the advantage."
"Thus far in the ‘08 cycle, 56 percent of religious groups’ and leaders’ donations have gone to Democrats, and 43 percent to Republicans, compared with 52/47 in favor of Republicans in ‘06 and 51/49 in favor of Democrats (!) in 2004."
I personally believe Republican views are influenced way too much by the church especially when there is supposed to be a separation of church and state.
What part of the Constitution explains the separation of church and state? I've looked for it and for some reason am unable to find it. Perhaps you could help.
I think the Democratic Party is much more closely aligned with the values of the Judeo-Christian tradition; particularly the teachings of Jesus. Its' attempt to address the needs "of the least of these" e.g. the poor, the sick, the elderly, the stranger; its' empahsis on equality "God is no respector of persons"; its strong commitment to justice; its faith and effort to....progressively building the kingdom of God.
Yes I thnk the Democratic party draws its inspiration from religious values and beliefs....
I believe the Republican party is beholden to and intimidated by religious leaders associated with fundementalist christianity...(its base) ...much the way Iran is beholden and intimidated by the islamic fundementalists. It doesnt up hold religious values it promotes its materialistic callous intolerant worldview.
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