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Old 05-08-2009, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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So?


That does NOT mean this country IS a religion.....
Never said, not intimidated otherwise.

But, religion has been, is, and will, remain as part of the core of the American culture.
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Old 05-08-2009, 09:03 PM
 
Location: I currently exist only in a state of mind. one too complex for geographic location.
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more like you can't answer the question. I have no idea with him trashing a tradition. who cares. I think church, and eco terrorists should stay away from government.

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I have no idea what you're referring to ....and neither do you....wanna try the ..oh, I don't know, maybe the TOPIC???
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Old 05-08-2009, 09:10 PM
 
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But, religion has been, is, and will, remain as part of the core of the American culture.
That's not representative of the entire population. Some Americans are not religious and we vote and pay taxes too. Some non-religious folks are NRA members, Republicans, Libertarians, Democrats, Republicrats, scientists who invented that computer and software you use, and that damn atheist who invented the lightbulb. You should turn off the electricity it's not American....

So you have some statistics? I do:

A bit dated, but anyways:


YouTube - Atheist

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Old 05-08-2009, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Obama has decided to nix the annual National Day of Prayer ceremony in the East Room of the White House. Says that everyone knows that he does it every day. No need for a public ceremony.
Obama tones down National Day of Prayer observance - CNN.com

There has been a tradition of inviting Jews, Catholics, and Protestants to this ceremony yearly. Could there be a prayer rug in his closet?
Privatizing? But I thought Obama was supposed to be a socialist?
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Old 05-08-2009, 09:53 PM
 
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What else can you gather from a President who won't go to Church, cancels half centuries long Christian events, and wants to cover up Christian symbols wherever he goes?
What I "gather" from it is that he's concentrating on DOING HIS JOB...ie, being president. NOT concentrating on archaic and useless religious ceremonies.

Good on Obama.
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Old 05-09-2009, 10:39 AM
 
Location: A Winding Road
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Post Prayer in America

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I think you need a little bit of education. Removing a day of prayer from the books in no way would keep people from praying in public. They have every right to do so under our constitution, but the government does not have the right to establish a NATIONAL day of prayer, because it is in violation of the establishment clause of the first amendment. It would also be a violation to tell you that you cannot pray.

See the same law protects us all. Isn't that neat?
You are right in that by removing prayer from the books would not keep people from praying in public. However, prayer is now deemed, obtrusive. So how long will it be before, 'freedom of public expression' will be totally annihilated so as to put a stop to this obtrusive act of prayer.

Stop, you're burning my eyes.

I've always said, you can take God out of the people's public, but you can't take the people out of (away from) God.

The establishment clause states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," The National Day of Prayer is not a law, it was a floating holiday until Ronald Regan assigned to it a day. It is a personal right the same as a person's right to vote. The day to vote does not float. Both are a personal elected event held on a specific day.

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There have been several national days of prayer in the U.S. before the day was made official in 1952. The Continental Congress issued a day of prayer in 1775 to designate "a time for prayer in forming a new nation." During the Quasi-War with France, President John Adams declared May 9, 1798 as "a day of solemn humiliation, fasting, and prayer," during which citizens of all faiths were asked to pray "that our country may be protected from all the dangers which threaten it".

An exert from the proclamation: It behooves us then, to humble ourselves before the offended Power, to confess our national sins, and to pray for clemency and forgiveness.

Controversy: Issues of government involvement with religion are often disputed because of the Establishment clause in the First Amendment. While the free-exercise clause allows for this type of event to be organized by non-governmental bodies, the U.S. Congress may not pass any laws enforcing religious observances. National Day of Prayer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
National Day of Prayer and the Establishment clause does not reconcile one with the other. I am educated thank you very much. I may have an educated opinion that differs from others, but that does not make me stupid, it makes me different.

We do not know who Obama is. It has been noted on several occassion he takes on the persona of past presidents in the claims of his views. (Lincoln, Kennedy) When he is asked a specific question his response has been noted he will say something like, well I just think like...so and so...on that issue...;and now we still do not clearly understand his views on religion as he has elected to keep that private as well. So we can not clearly reconcile, him. The man is a great mystery to me.

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The more Show a person puts on about their religion the LESS religious they are....just gotta show off???
So we should all stay closed off from the public that way we will remain uncertain as to who anybody really is. I can go for that, can you?

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Obama does not represent ME in any religious sense. He is my President. Not my priest, not my guru, and I appreciate his not trying to cram Christian religion down my throat, as you are trying to do.
Obama does not represent me either in any shape or form. I am not influenced by what he may or may not do, think or say...however, I can determine if he is a person that I would like to have hang around me or not by what he does or does not do. Which is something that is not unreasonable for people to do. We can judge for ourselves, you know.

If you think someone is trying to do something to you...I'd seek help. In that I am stating a public opinion and one in which you obviously do not agree, then shoot...don't read it. It was certainly not my intention to do something, to you. And I apologize if you miss understood.

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Pew Research Center: Prayer in America
The National Day of Prayer, established by Congress in 1952, occurs on May 7 this year. The U.S. Religious Landscape Survey, conducted by the Pew Research Center's Forum on Religion & Public Life, shows that prayer is a common religious practice in America, with nearly six-in-ten adults in the U.S. saying they pray at least once a day. However, frequency of prayer differs significantly by religious tradition, age, gender and income.
Click on the link, they have a bar chart displayed.
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Old 05-09-2009, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Temple
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Ahhhh, so you have decided to "ursurp" God's role when it comes to judging who is a "real" Christian and who is not?? Very interesting.

I've always heard that your "personal relationship" with God is for God to judge, not other "men"............

Can you back up your assertions that Obama has crucifixes covered up every time he visits a Catholic University?

Did it ever occur to your that Obama's real HOME church is in his HEART? You mean your church didn't teach you about that sort of thing? Maybe your church is really interested in your weekly donations.

As for cancelled "traditional Christian events" at the White House, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Some specifics please?

No, I do not think it is at all ODD that Obama has not found a "home" church in Washington, D.C.

Now, just how predictible do your think it would be, if Obama had a "home church" in D.C., for any "terrorist" to find him at his "home" church one Sunday if such a "terrorist" were looking for a pattern of behavior of the President??

Maybe you need to re-think your qualifications for taking over God's job of judging who is a Christian and who is not.
Reps for you I'd like to note that also, for the President to go anywhere, it's a big deal and takes a lot of planning. Most Presidents do not go to a "hometown" church due to it disrupting everything. The only one that I can remember was Clinton and that was when things weren't looking so great for him and even then, the media was all over it.
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Old 05-09-2009, 11:46 AM
 
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You are right in that by removing prayer from the books would not keep people from praying in public. However, prayer is now deemed, obtrusive. So how long will it be before, 'freedom of public expression' will be totally annihilated so as to put a stop to this obtrusive act of prayer.

Stop, you're burning my eyes.

I've always said, you can take God out of the people's public, but you can't take the people out of (away from) God.

The establishment clause states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," The National Day of Prayer is not a law, it was a floating holiday until Ronald Regan assigned to it a day. It is a personal right the same as a person's right to vote. The day to vote does not float. Both are a personal elected event held on a specific day.

National Day of Prayer and the Establishment clause does not reconcile one with the other. I am educated thank you very much. I may have an educated opinion that differs from others, but that does not make me stupid, it makes me different.

We do not know who Obama is. It has been noted on several occassion he takes on the persona of past presidents in the claims of his views. (Lincoln, Kennedy) When he is asked a specific question his response has been noted he will say something like, well I just think like...so and so...on that issue...;and now we still do not clearly understand his views on religion as he has elected to keep that private as well. So we can not clearly reconcile, him. The man is a great mystery to me.

So we should all stay closed off from the public that way we will remain uncertain as to who anybody really is. I can go for that, can you?

Obama does not represent me either in any shape or form. I am not influenced by what he may or may not do, think or say...however, I can determine if he is a person that I would like to have hang around me or not by what he does or does not do. Which is something that is not unreasonable for people to do. We can judge for ourselves, you know.

If you think someone is trying to do something to you...I'd seek help. In that I am stating a public opinion and one in which you obviously do not agree, then shoot...don't read it. It was certainly not my intention to do something, to you. And I apologize if you miss understood.


Click on the link, they have a bar chart displayed.
""""So we should all stay closed off from the public that way we will remain uncertain as to who anybody really is. I can go for that, can you?""""



WHA..?????

You don't know who anyone is unless you see them pray in public? WEIRD!

What DO you mean????
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Old 05-09-2009, 11:56 AM
 
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Our country is a traditionally Christian one. Our rights were derived from the Bible and Christian traditions. Despite the fact the the very far left in the country wants to claim that America is not a generally Christian, or traditionally Christian nation, the majority are with me. We know that all religions have rights in America. (and that fact alone shows Christianity's superiority to other religions, because we Christians do allow other religious groups to congregate in majority Christian nations. Try and say the same of Islam)

However it is very telling when the left tries to hijack our nations founding beliefs (Christianity) and even go as far as saying that the founding fathers were anything but Christian.

I have a game, go to the Constitution, and tell me where the words, "separation of Church and State" appear. Most Liberals have never read the Constitution and will find the discovery that those words do not appear quite shocking. The ACLU seems convinced that Thomas Jefferson included them in the Constitution in invisible ink.
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Old 05-09-2009, 12:35 PM
 
Location: A Winding Road
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Our country is a traditionally Christian one. Our rights were derived from the Bible and Christian traditions. Despite the fact the the very far left in the country wants to claim that America is not a generally Christian, or traditionally Christian nation, the majority are with me. We know that all religions have rights in America. (and that fact alone shows Christianity's superiority to other religions, because we Christians do allow other religious groups to congregate in majority Christian nations. Try and say the same of Islam)

However it is very telling when the left tries to hijack our nations founding beliefs (Christianity) and even go as far as saying that the founding fathers were anything but Christian.

I have a game, go to the Constitution, and tell me where the words, "separation of Church and State" appear. Most Liberals have never read the Constitution and will find the discovery that those words do not appear quite shocking. The ACLU seems convinced that Thomas Jefferson included them in the Constitution in invisible ink.
I'm thinking you may as find this a fascinating enlightening as I did.
The Fifty States Reference God in their Constitutions-Truth!
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The Truth
We checked them all and the constitutions of all fifty states reference God, mostly in their preambles
All 50 States are represented here.
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