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Old 05-07-2009, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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As the spike in the teen age birth rate indicates, abstinence only teaching is ineffective. Thank you, President Obama.

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Old 05-07-2009, 08:57 PM
 
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Yay!

Even the Palins now know that abstinence-only education doesn't work. This was a good move.
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Old 05-07-2009, 08:57 PM
 
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Fuzzy liberal math. It's 100% effective. The only people that don't accept that are those that insert emotions into factual information, place failed statistics in place of true statistics so they can claim not having sex is the least effective method, you know because they know everyone.
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Old 05-07-2009, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Texas
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This is a great move!
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Old 05-07-2009, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Woot!!
Now can we start teaching comprehensive sex education in public high schools?
I'd rather see my tax dollars go towards comprehensive sex ed. I think the pay off is great: less payouts for WIC and food stamps.

Of course condom dispensers in schools would also be awesome but I'm sure that would anger many people.
Of course in many places you can get free condoms at the local health clinic.
The one close to my house gives you around 10-20 for free.
The crazy thing is that it's less than a mile from my alma mater yet I knew of at least 40 girls in my high school years that ended up pregnant.
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Old 05-07-2009, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Fuzzy liberal math. It's 100% effective. The only people that don't accept that are those that insert emotions into factual information, place failed statistics in place of true statistics so they can claim not having sex is the least effective method, you know because they know everyone.
Abstinence when followed through 100% of the time is 100% effective but teaching abstinence ONLY education to teenagers is not 100% effective.

I support comprehensive sex ed which talks about abstinence AND contraception: birth control, condoms, IUDs, and yes...abortion.
There should also be realistic conversations with teens about the cost of raising a child. WIC and food stamps will not be counted in.
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Old 05-07-2009, 09:04 PM
 
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Fuzzy liberal math. It's 100% effective. The only people that don't accept that are those that insert emotions into factual information, place failed statistics in place of true statistics so they can claim not having sex is the least effective method, you know because they know everyone.
Actual abstinence is, of course, 100% effective in preventing pregnancy. The major problems with it include:

Poor compliance rate
Use of oral/anal sex to avoid having vaginal intercourse - you know how those fluids can travel!
Use of manual stimulation - again, can put semen in prime position to find that egg.

We're talking about teens here. We all know how difficult it is to resist sex as a hormone-driven teenager. The problem with teaching abstinence with no backup plan, aka "abstinence only", is that when the mistake is made, there's no further education or contraceptive method to resort to, and pregnancy is much more likely.
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Old 05-07-2009, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Actual abstinence is, of course, 100% effective in preventing pregnancy. The major problems with it include:

Poor compliance rate
Use of oral/anal sex to avoid having vaginal intercourse - you know how those fluids can travel!
Use of manual stimulation - again, can put semen in prime position to find that egg.

We're talking about teens here. We all know how difficult it is to resist sex as a hormone-driven teenager. The problem with teaching abstinence with no backup plan, aka "abstinence only", is that when the mistake is made, there's no further education or contraceptive method to resort to, and pregnancy is much more likely.

The biggest one is poor compliance rate.
My high school taught abstinence yet I knew of 40 girls who were pregnant in my four years of high school.
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Old 05-07-2009, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The biggest one is poor compliance rate.
My high school taught abstinence yet I knew of 40 girls who were pregnant in my four years of high school.
That shows how effective abstinence only is!
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Old 05-07-2009, 09:11 PM
 
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Fuzzy liberal math. It's 100% effective. The only people that don't accept that are those that insert emotions into factual information, place failed statistics in place of true statistics so they can claim not having sex is the least effective method, you know because they know everyone.
DUH! TEACHING/Promoting Abstinence Only doesn't work......
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