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A big part of the problem? The right to an education has morphed into the right to disrupt everyone else's education. Lots of disruption going on in those communities that don't place a high value on education and the kids have no sense of why they're there.
Why would the voucher system, in Detroit of all places, improve absolutely anything?
I think that with a voucher, allowing free use for one to choose a school, you create demand on the quality which a school provides. If you have a few schools which everyone wants to enroll, the suck schools can in a free market be replaced by substitute schools.
We have charter schools, catholic schools, muslim jews, public home & old schools. Military, art and science schools. Sports and farming too. Schools cost money. Give them a voucher for education and let their parents decide. Competition will put crap educators out of business. That is how it will improve things.
But I will concede this. I once helped clean up a park in NE philly only to have someone crap in a five gallon bucket and spill it, not to mention all the trash on the ground next day and the trash can being almost empty. It's engrained, there's no easy solution.
Cleveland now has a 34.4% graduation rate from its high schools. The 50 biggest cities in the USA have a 53% graduation rate.
That is pathetic. Do these people do any type of parenting towards their children? How can they fail at something so basic as graduating high school? you are going nowhere if you dont graduate.
Its not a problem with the schools, its a problem with the parents and the teenagers in high school themselves. They need to stop blaming others and fix the problem
You are correct. The problem is not with the schools but with the students. They do need to stop blaming everything other than what is actually to blame and there is not much that can be done to fix the problem.
The minimum IQ required to learn and comprehend high school material is about 90 - 95. Blacks represent most students in inner city schools and Blacks have an average IQ of 85. More then half of the Black population in this country do not have the intellectual capacity to comprehend the high school curriculum. Many of the Blacks who do 'graduate' perform academically at an eighth grade level.
I'm sorry if this is harsh but its true. We should probably take race out of the equation and just divide people by their intellectual capacity. If we want to do what is best for all people at the lower end of the 'skills' scale we should stop demanding that they graduate from high school. We should set up a different kind of school that concentrates on basic life skills and some trades training. For these people life is an uphill battle. Craming them through high school for which they are ill equiped for is counter productive.
Anyone with an IQ of less than 90 cannot be expected to graduate from high school with any comprehension of the material.
The minimum IQ required to learn and comprehend high school material is about 90 - 95. Blacks represent most students in inner city schools and Blacks have an average IQ of 85. More then half of the Black population in this country do not have the intellectual capacity to comprehend the high school curriculum. Many of the Blacks who do 'graduate' perform academically at an eighth grade level.
You always have something interesting to say, Reel. I appreciate your posts. What's your source on the IQ numbers?
You always have something interesting to say, Reel. I appreciate your posts. What's your source on the IQ numbers?
Thank you. There are too many sources to list. You can google things such as 'black white skills gap' without the quotes to find out more than you would care to know. Below are a couple of links:
I don't think anyone disputes that there is a gap that is substantial and persistent. People do debate the causes. I find it interesting to watch people dance around the question of intelligence without ever landing on it. Its a beautiful example of Occam's Razor. Its the only answer that explains everything from the New Haven Firefighters promotion case to inner city graduation rates, to inner city crime rates, to black illegitimacy and HIV/STD problems, to income gaps, etc.
I don't think anyone disputes the IQ gap either but even with IQ they will dance around the intelligence issue. The test must be bad. Its a cultural thing, etc.
You are correct. The problem is not with the schools but with the students. They do need to stop blaming everything other than what is actually to blame and there is not much that can be done to fix the problem.
The minimum IQ required to learn and comprehend high school material is about 90 - 95. Blacks represent most students in inner city schools and Blacks have an average IQ of 85. More then half of the Black population in this country do not have the intellectual capacity to comprehend the high school curriculum. Many of the Blacks who do 'graduate' perform academically at an eighth grade level.
I'm sorry if this is harsh but its true. We should probably take race out of the equation and just divide people by their intellectual capacity. If we want to do what is best for all people at the lower end of the 'skills' scale we should stop demanding that they graduate from high school. We should set up a different kind of school that concentrates on basic life skills and some trades training. For these people life is an uphill battle. Craming them through high school for which they are ill equiped for is counter productive.
Anyone with an IQ of less than 90 cannot be expected to graduate from high school with any comprehension of the material.
- Reel
Is that what they teach you guys in the training camps?
Cleveland now has a 34.4% graduation rate from its high schools. The 50 biggest cities in the USA have a 53% graduation rate.
I bet you anything that there's a clear relation between graduation rate from a high school and the teacher's salary.
I wonder how much more the teachers in Cleveland make than a manager in McDonalds.
I would guess inner city school kids have way bigger problems than whether they're going to Ace their Algebra test on Wednesday. I'd also guess that most of the parents are non-existent due to a series of societal reasons.
No kidding. They have to find the money somewhere for the new air force ones. So they end up slinging or robbing.
Schools are a function of the communities they serve. If said community is largely composed of shattered households who do not value education, the results are obvious.
Why there is still a debate about this is beyond me. Its not genetics, race, bad facilities or lack of money. Its bad culture, particularly a culture of bad parenting characterized by instability.
What these figures tell me is that if you take 100 African American Kids and put them in the worst inner city educational scenario; Poverty, Crime, drugs, underfunded schools and no parental supports. Over half of them will graduate and some with honors wow! That’s why I hear Superman theme Music when I see successful Blacks like Condi Rice, Barack and Colin Powell. I don't think all white suburban schools are capable of challenging Kids to this degree. I think if over 50% of African American Kids have this super capacity to be educated and succeed, let’s leave well enough alone.
(You see how statistics can be interpreted to back up any ideology)
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