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Old 05-13-2009, 02:59 PM
 
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You don't have to go far to see goverment run health. Go to the VA hospitals and tell me what you think.
I do and even tho they do their best....I'd still rather go to a private Doctor. But it does cost me a lot less.
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Old 05-13-2009, 03:05 PM
 
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In some countries the healthcare workers are government employees. It is not a stretch to say that we may wind up with this kind of system.

And no insurance companies do not make healthcare decisions for us, they are in competition with other insurance companies. If you don't like your plan change to another plan. Who would you like to make decisions a faceless bureaucrat?
"And no insurance companies do not make healthcare decisions for us"

You are 100% wrong on that.

I will not go in to detail here but will DM me if you want the stories I have about my insurance company. (one of the largest)
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Old 05-13-2009, 03:09 PM
 
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Yes that special office is run by the trilateral commission and Dr.
Dooferschmidt!


Who ever pays the bills calls the tunes. If the government is paying the bill they will decide on the coverage, just like the hated insurance companies.
"Yes that special office is run by the trilateral commission and Dr.
Dooferschmidt!"

You know how i found out about Dr.
Dooferschmidt?

My insurance company told me about him over the phone... Yes he does work for them, and every insurance has aboard of them.
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:18 PM
 
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OK - how do you propose "we" pay for it?""



Taxes which also pay for lots of other things if ya haven't noticed



""You know not everyone files tax returns - right or wrong - this is the case"""

SO HOW ARE OTHER TAX FUNDED THINGS LIKE THE MILITARY RUN IF SOME PEOPLE DON'T PAY TAXES??????????????????????????????????

""And, you going to give your "health insurance" to illegals?"""


Who gives a damn if Americans are covered...first things first!

And, what about those who don't want your gov't insurance - can they get out of it?"""


YES YES YES I NEVER SAW ANY PLAN THAT FORCED ANYONE TO HAVE WHAT THEY DON"T WANT

And medicare - doctors are leaving medicare - what about this?""
OK, so maybe not Medicare ...does every solution HAVE to be black and white!? No changes , no learning from mistakes!!!??
OK, you're one of the people who don't want affordable health care for every American....



Why do you hate that idea so much?


Hate your fellow Americans?



Too short sighted to see that a healthy nation is a strong nation.

A healthy nation is a smarter better educated nation??



Why do you prefer that insurance companies keep ripping people off and driving people into poverty!?

Why do you think insurance execs should make billions while Americans can't get care?
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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OK, you're one of the people who don't want affordable health care for every American....
Oh, that's not true. If it were, I would not have VOLUNTEERED for the last 2 years, along with a whole group of other Americans, to study the subject, to look at alternatives around the world, to see what worked, what didn't.

We would not have looked at and discussed the legal ramifications - what can we do legally (and their are constraints). We looked at maintaining a private system, a private / public system, a completely public (gov't run) system.

And everything with the same goal - to be able to have available, at the more affordable rates possible, health insurance that, should someone want it, they could get it.

And we recognized that there were going to be those that would not be able to afford it regardless of what was done - for them, there was the recommendation of subsidies by the government to help make sure they could get insurance.

No, you are wrong. I strongly support making Health Insurance as affordable as it can be and to make sure that every American that wants health insurance, can get it.

I hope this clears up your misperceptions of my position.
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Florida
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BTW Greatday....any chance those on Medicare were included in this symposium?
Maybe a change allowing us to purchase prescription coverage that actually covers the prescriptions for a whole year ?
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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BTW Greatday....any chance those on Medicare were included in this symposium?
My goodness yes. The discussion about affordable health care could not happen without the Medicare stakeholders.

One of the issues of course was prescription drugs - and the general consensus was that it was stupid not to allow people to get their drugs from legitimate sources outside the United States (for instance Canada).

IMO, there is going to be movement in this area.

As for a years supply at a time - I don't remember anything like that being discussed. As a personal note - I would be opposed to that inasmuch as even though you are referring to maintenance drugs, your doctor might change the script and then we would have waste on the drugs not used.

OBTW - the fact that WalMart started their $4.00 prescription program kinda took the wind out of some sails (of the drug companies)
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Florida
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My goodness yes. The discussion about affordable health care could not happen without the Medicare stakeholders.

One of the issues of course was prescription drugs - and the general consensus was that it was stupid not to allow people to get their drugs from legitimate sources outside the United States (for instance Canada).

IMO, there is going to be movement in this area.

As for a years supply at a time - I don't remember anything like that being discussed. As a personal note - I would be opposed to that inasmuch as even though you are referring to maintenance drugs, your doctor might change the script and then we would have waste on the drugs not used.

OBTW - the fact that WalMart started their $4.00 prescription program kinda took the wind out of some sails (of the drug companies)
Sorry....what I meant was the donut hole that effectively reduces coverage to some months rather than a full year
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Sorry....what I meant was the donut hole that effectively reduces coverage to some months rather than a full year
OK - sorry I misunderstood you.

I'm sorry - I don't recall that specifically. I'll see if I can find something in my notes.
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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Nurses push for single-payer, Free Choice Act

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May 13, 2009

The nation's biggest nurse unions convened in Washington to push their case for a single-payer health system and national workplace regulations, including the stalled Employee Free Choice Act, a ban on mandatory overtime and minimum staffing ratios modeled on those in California.

The event, dubbed the National RN Day of Action, brought together the leadership and members of the California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee, the AFL-CIO affiliated United American Nurses and the Massachusetts Nurses Association, which have an agreement to merge, as well as the Service Employees International Union Nurse Alliance. The SEIU and CNA/NNOC, formerly bitter rivals, announced in March that they would work together.
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