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Old 05-13-2009, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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This insane tolerance towards torture that has questionable reliability will lose my paleo-conservative vote as well as the 5-10% of votes, making us spoilers for '10, '12, and well beyond...
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Old 05-13-2009, 09:13 AM
 
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You gotta love it. I'd pay big bucks to see that freak show...


whatever happened to Olbermann waterboarding Hannity?
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Old 05-13-2009, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Torn down by the GOP...

1. John Kerry - War Hero
2. John McCain- War Hero
3. Colin Powell- American Hero
4. Jesse Ventura- Navy Seal
5. Michael Steele- RNC Chair

Promoted by GOP

1. Rush Limbuagh- Comedian
2. Glen Beck(not real name)- Entertainer
3. Sean Hannity/Bill O'Reilly- Puppet Masters
4. Michele Bachman/Alan Keyes- Raving lunatics
5. Sarah Palin- Idiot

Nice job guys
For once I agree.

You forgot Ron Paul, American hero and military man. Oh, and something Reagan mentioned about him back in the day concerning how desperately America needed him for national security.
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Old 05-13-2009, 09:44 AM
 
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Yeah...well when tools dont listen that's what happens.

Any different than idiot libs saying waterboarding is torture and shouldnt be done then turning around and saying they'd pay big bucks to see hannity waterboarded?

It isnt...I doubt you can see it..due to being ignorant, but its the same.
? Hannity volunteered for it, the plucky little fella, that's kinda different....
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Old 05-13-2009, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Any different than idiot libs saying waterboarding is torture and shouldnt be done then turning around and saying they'd pay big bucks to see hannity waterboarded?
But, Hannity is out to prove its not torture, and so does Dick. May be I was wrong all along... may be it isn't, and can't wait for these guys to show it to the world rather than be the chickenhawks they have been all their lives.

But then, some do take their words at face value, without thinking twice (or thinking at all). Clearly, I'm not one of them.
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Old 05-13-2009, 10:59 AM
 
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Waterboarding was created as a torture technique--like the Rack. It serves no other function. Imagine a judge issuing guidelines as to the extent the CIA could stretch a detainee on a rack...
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Old 05-13-2009, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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Always been the same follow the Army field Manual.


FM 34-52 Chapter 3
Sounds like all that is officially authorized is to sit down, establish rapport, offer coffee and question them until the "source" reaches his breaking point and tells the interrogator everything.

Now will someone define "torture"?
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Old 05-13-2009, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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His age is irrelevant. Breathing isn't any more optional for a Navy Seal, Green Beret, Delta Force, SAS, Spetznaz, or any other alphabet soup special force tough guy as it is even for a "boozer" like Hitchens. May I remind folks that Hitchens was pro-war with regards to Iraq.

Hitchens himself said they were reluctant to waterboard him because of his age of course it is a factor. He may be pro Iraq liberation but he is about as left as they get.
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Old 05-13-2009, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Hitchens is a conservative; IMHO he wouldn't have offered to be waterboarded had he thought it was painful or terrifying. Torture doesn't need to involve pain; think of Chinese water torture.

Does waterboarding have long-term physical effects?: Scientific American Blog (http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=does-waterboarding-have-long-term-p-2009-05-01 - broken link)

Hitchens is not a conservative you have not idea what you are talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hitchens

You link proves nothing.
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Old 05-13-2009, 05:53 PM
 
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Sounds like all that is officially authorized is to sit down, establish rapport, offer coffee and question them until the "source" reaches his breaking point and tells the interrogator everything.

It seems to work for the FBI.


The definition of torture? Take your pick:


Part 1, Article 1 and the US Reservations of the UN Convention Against Torture:

The term "torture" means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.

The US Reservations for the UN Convention Against Torture: In order to constitute torture, an act must be specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering and that mental pain or suffering refers to prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from (1) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering; (2) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality; (3) the threat of imminent death; or (4) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality.


Article 32 of the Fourth Geneva Convention any measure of such a character as to cause the physical suffering or extermination of protected persons in their hands. This prohibition applies not only to murder, torture, corporal punishments, mutilation and medical or scientific experiments not necessitated by the medical treatment of a protected person, but also to any other measures of brutality whether applied by civilian or military agents.

Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention: torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments, willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health

Article 7(2)(e) of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court "Torture" means the intentional infliction of severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, upon a person in the custody or under the control of the accused; except that torture shall not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to, lawful sanctions.

Inter-American Convention to Prevent and Punish Torture For the purposes of this Convention, torture shall be understood to be any act intentionally performed whereby physical or mental pain or suffering is inflicted on a person for purposes of criminal investigation, as a means of intimidation, as personal punishment, as a preventive measure, as a penalty, or for any other purpose. Torture shall also be understood to be the use of methods upon a person intended to obliterate the personality of the victim or to diminish his physical or mental capacities, even if they do not cause physical pain or mental anguish. The concept of torture shall not include physical or mental pain or suffering that is inherent in or solely the consequence of lawful measures, provided that they do not include the performance of the acts or use of the methods referred to in this article.

18 United States Code Title 18, §2340(2)
“torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control

(2)“severe mental pain or suffering” means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from—

(A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;

(B) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality;

(C) the threat of imminent death; or

(D) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality;
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