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Old 05-16-2009, 04:33 AM
 
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You're a hoot!

First of all, personal injury lawsuits are not filed against doctors (unless he hits you while driving his car). That would be malpractice.

Secondly, according to the CBO, "...malpractice costs account for less than 2 percent of [healthcare] spending." Limiting Tort Liability for Medical Malpractice

Somebody sold you a pile of manure (was it O'Reilly?)
Yeah. Medical malpractice suits. That's what I meant. Big deal.

When you say 'medical spending' you aren't just talkinga about what people pay in doctors' visits. You're talking about the whole system from top to bottom. Pharmaceutical costs, paperwork, billing, staff, administration, R&D. And tell me that when a doctor has to pay tens of thousands in malpractice insurance, that doesn't affect patient fees by a huge percentage. The 2% figure is meant to mislead people into thinking that's all it costs them. That's a lie. It's more than half.
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Old 05-16-2009, 04:37 AM
 
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capitalism destroys itself..... eventually.. it is not sustainable....which is why we continue to ride bubble/bust rollercoasters... when times are good.. we're the hottest thing on the block.. when times are not so good.. we look very foolish... as a country that is...
Markets of the world are changing in accordance with government laws.. such boom and bust will only continue to persuade the world away from using the greenback for valuation of anything...
If capitalism destroys itself, what does socialism do? When times are good, socialist countries are in recession. When times are bad, socialist countries are unbearable. Tell us all how that's preferable.
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Old 05-16-2009, 04:43 AM
 
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Conservatives didn't like the mess that was made of Europe. That's why they came over and started their own country in 1776. Now it's your turn to leave, liberals. Let us have our country back. You people can go start another socialist utopia like Cuba.

I wish liberals could live in the ultimate results of their own extreme ideology. They should have to spend a year in Cuba. I'll bet 12 months of living in squalor, waiting in line after line, and 1950's technology would change them real quick.
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Old 05-16-2009, 06:02 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Corporatism has always been the central feature of capitalism. They were called "trusts" the initial time that capitalism almost took down society in the modern age.
So, during the early years of our country, David's tavern in Williamsburg was a corporation that ran Washington, promoting all of those nasty social welfare and government bailout programs that sprung up during the industrial revolution?
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Old 05-16-2009, 06:03 AM
 
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Another Obamaphobic thread.

"The end is nigh! Panic NOW!"
Yeah, by the same people that had no problems with KiNg GeOrgE and Vampire Cheney. That's the bizarre part. All was well when they were at the helm.. Where is the ex-king these days? He's been very quiet as Cheney has been running off at the mouth about torture...most likely on the advice of hs lawyers. They shiver and shake over the thought of Socialism, but were okay with being on the road to Fascism with Dick and Dubya.

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Old 05-16-2009, 06:15 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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If capitalism destroys itself, what does socialism do? When times are good, socialist countries are in recession. When times are bad, socialist countries are unbearable. Tell us all how that's preferable.
Are you nuts?
I suppose the Feds Bailing out the financial houses is not Socialism?
Medicare is Socialism too.
What is this stupid phobia about socialism?????????? As i said in a earlier post Socialism and Capitalism work well together and this is the case in the USA and UK. The problem is that if the balance becomes tipped towards Capitalism, greed takes over and disaster is the only outcome as we can now see from the present finacial crisis.
I wish the people who know absolutely nothing about how socialism works in the 21st century would stop these insane comments that they learn from hearsay.
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Old 05-16-2009, 07:03 AM
 
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Are you nuts?
I suppose the Feds Bailing out the financial houses is not Socialism?
Medicare is Socialism too.
What is this stupid phobia about socialism?????????? As i said in a earlier post Socialism and Capitalism work well together and this is the case in the USA and UK. The problem is that if the balance becomes tipped towards Capitalism, greed takes over and disaster is the only outcome as we can now see from the present finacial crisis.
I wish the people who know absolutely nothing about how socialism works in the 21st century would stop these insane comments that they learn from hearsay.
I agree there is a degree of socialism in this country, but I don't make the idiotic assertion that the capitalist part is a negative. It's the socialist aspect that caused our whole financial mess, with the government intervention in the loan-making process. Had government not given incentive to banks to relax their stringent qualifiying rules by guaranteeing to buy back all the badf loans, banks would have stuck to their strict standards, and the bad loans wouldn't have been made. You can't say private folks are "greedy" because they take advantage of government largesse.

The other basic mistake you socialists make is mistaking ambition and a desire for people to do their best and earn money as "greed". Greed implies something sinister. But capitalism helps everybody. That's the genius of the system. It compounds man's natural desire to do well and uses that to enhance people as a whole.

The BIG mistake socialists always make it misjudging human nature. Man HAS to have an incentive to do his best. Man has an innate desire to compete and earn the fruits of his work. Socialists act like this is a character shortcoming. They think people should work to their fullest "for the good of the group". That sounds great, but it's not how people operate. That's why, in most government settings and in socialist countries, you have people going through the motions while at work, just like zombies. Why? It doesn't matter if they work hard or not; they get paid the same. It doesn't matter if they're customer friendly or not. Same pay. Here's a little test. Call the municipal building of any large city. Chances are, the person who answers will range from indifferent to downright rude. Perhaps they are friends or relatives of the mayor. They weren't hired because they were the best candidates available, and they have no incentive to get better. They have their jobs no matter what. They don't have to please the public. Contrast that with a private firm. If the receptiionist were habitually rude, customers would complain, her boss would find out about it, and she would be told to shape up or leave.

Public employee = unmotivated indifferent zombie
Private employee = cheerful goal-oriented pleaser

Which works better?
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Old 05-16-2009, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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Default Basic math

Remember those simple formulas you learned in first year algebra?Something like this---If A = B and B = C then A = C. Apply that to ideology.---
If Liberalism = Socialism and Socialism = Communism then Liberalism = Communism.
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Old 05-16-2009, 11:19 AM
 
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Yeah. Medical malpractice suits. That's what I meant. Big deal.

When you say 'medical spending' you aren't just talkinga about what people pay in doctors' visits. You're talking about the whole system from top to bottom. Pharmaceutical costs, paperwork, billing, staff, administration, R&D. And tell me that when a doctor has to pay tens of thousands in malpractice insurance, that doesn't affect patient fees by a huge percentage. The 2% figure is meant to mislead people into thinking that's all it costs them. That's a lie. It's more than half.
LMAO!

I knew you'd deny and rationalize any facts presented.

I didn't say "medical spending." The CBO did, and that includes all associated health care costs, including insurance.

More than half? You are too, too funny. Are you seriously claiming that ~$1 trillion per year is handed out in malpractice awards?

You, sir or ma'am, are seriously deluding yourself if you truly believe what you say.
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Old 05-16-2009, 11:24 AM
 
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What is this stupid phobia about socialism??????????
It does appear to be a pathology. The basis for such phobias are change and diversity. Some people are deathly afraid of societal change and people who are not exactly like they are.
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