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Old 05-17-2009, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Fuquay-Varina
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This entire issue is a waste of time and money. It also makes us look weak to the enemies by airing it out in public. Bad things happen in war, move on.
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Old 05-17-2009, 10:02 AM
 
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Every one of you that think George Bush or Dick Cheney will face charges over torture allegations are living in one of the many farcical corners of liberal utopia.

If it makes you feel better, then have at it. But when you come back to your senses, go seek professional help.

And for the love of God, please shed Keith Olbermann and DailyKos from your collective frontal lobe's. Cognitive brain function is supposed to be productive.
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Old 05-17-2009, 10:59 AM
 
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Think Progress? That left-wing kook rag?

The republicans are the ones calling for the release of memos/reports.

Cheney has called for them - denied by obama

Boehner, Bond, Hoekstra have all called for the release.

What dems are calling for the release?

Their opinion just doesn't jive with the facts on the ground.
Actually there are Republicans AND Democrats that want to see ALL the memos released. However it is not Obama that is preventing this, it is the CIA.

CIA rebuffs Cheney over interrogation documents | Reuters
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WASHINGTON, May 14 (Reuters) - The CIA on Thursday rejected a request by former Vice President Dick Cheney that it make public documents that he said showed the effectiveness of using harsh interrogation methods on terrorism suspects.
In any event, as the GOP rightly grills Pelosi on her position and knowledge, they are unwittingly drawing Obama into this debate and where he may be forced to choose between supporting the CIA or Pelosi. I suspect he will choose the former and cut Pelosi loose. Additionally, all this dust up will end up doing is focusing more attention on a subject that will likely cause more harm than good to the GOP as they are cutting off their nose to spite their face out of their hatred for Pelosi. Fine, so be it, but if all the Bush torture memos are released, it will likely take down a few Democrats no doubt, but it will also take down the GOP brand name with it.
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Old 05-17-2009, 11:02 AM
 
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If conservatives were being honest about their criticisms, they’d be taking up Pelosi’s desire for a full investigation, an inquiry that would not only examine what members of Congress knew also what the role Cheney played in authorizing illegal acts.

Think Progress » Conservatives Express Hope That Their Attacks On Pelosi Will Quiet Calls For Truth Commission
If conservatives were honest they'd be patting Pelosi on the back for possibly being on their side.
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Old 05-17-2009, 11:11 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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If conservatives were being honest about their criticisms, they’d be taking up Pelosi’s desire for a full investigation, an inquiry that would not only examine what members of Congress knew also what the role Cheney played in authorizing illegal acts.

Think Progress » Conservatives Express Hope That Their Attacks On Pelosi Will Quiet Calls For Truth Commission
It's just their typical diversionary tactics combined with the fact that all of their attempts to slander Obama haven't gotten any traction so they've switched targets. The thing they don't understand, and seem incapable of understanding, is that Democrats believe that if Pelosi or someone else took part in a war crime like torture then they need to go too. We won't protect war criminals the way Republicans do. If she knew torture was occurring but did nothing then she has to go too.
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Old 05-17-2009, 11:28 AM
 
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The funny thing about this non-issue ("torture") is that al Qaeda, et. al. are planning their next moves while we fight over this stupidity. When the next attack comes, the lefties will probably be complaining about Bush's choice of TP in the White House.

Lefties (and all other America Haters) need to pull their heads from their collective arses and get some common sense.

The only war criminals you need to worry about are the a-holes with the AK-47's and bomb vests.
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Old 05-17-2009, 11:38 AM
 
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Actually there are Republicans AND Democrats that want to see ALL the memos released. However it is not Obama that is preventing this, it is the CIA.

CIA rebuffs Cheney over interrogation documents | Reuters


In any event, as the GOP rightly grills Pelosi on her position and knowledge, they are unwittingly drawing Obama into this debate and where he may be forced to choose between supporting the CIA or Pelosi. I suspect he will choose the former and cut Pelosi loose. Additionally, all this dust up will end up doing is focusing more attention on a subject that will likely cause more harm than good to the GOP as they are cutting off their nose to spite their face out of their hatred for Pelosi. Fine, so be it, but if all the Bush torture memos are released, it will likely take down a few Democrats no doubt, but it will also take down the GOP brand name with it.
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Old 05-17-2009, 11:43 AM
 
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The funny thing about this non-issue ("torture") is that al Qaeda, et. al. are planning their next moves while we fight over this stupidity. When the next attack comes, the lefties will probably be complaining about Bush's choice of TP in the White House.

Lefties (and all other America Haters) need to pull their heads from their collective arses and get some common sense.

The only war criminals you need to worry about are the a-holes with the AK-47's and bomb vests.
It *is* possible to accomplish two or even more things at the same time.

SCRS - Virtual Pamphlet Collection - Time Management (http://counseling.uchicago.edu/resources/virtualpamphlets/time_management.shtml - broken link)
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Old 05-17-2009, 12:12 PM
 
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It *is* possible to accomplish two or even more things at the same time.

SCRS - Virtual Pamphlet Collection - Time Management (http://counseling.uchicago.edu/resources/virtualpamphlets/time_management.shtml - broken link)

Exactly: pulling your head out of your arse and focusing on the jihadists can be accomplished simultaneously.
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Old 05-17-2009, 12:17 PM
 
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Exactly: pulling your head out of your arse and focusing on the jihadists can be accomplished simultaneously.
I gotta say too-shay.
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