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Old 05-17-2009, 07:30 PM
 
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Massive Corruption in the Democrat Party? Why who would have thought?

And now 'finally' the American people are seeing what a goddamn LIAR the Democrat Party House Speaker, 'Nancy Pelosi' really is in regard to different issues and matters?

For years the Liberal Socialist Media and Democrat Party spokespeople told everybody that the Bush administration, and specifically Dick Cheney was lining their pockets by awarding Federal contracts to Haliburton...

Of course that was okay to disseminate that type of disgusting Liberal Media journalism because Cheney had previously been employed by Haliburton, so it was only 'assumed' that Cheney somehow was being handsomely rewarded in return for the granting of Federal contracts to Haliburton. (If there was ever 'any' real evidence it has NEVER been established?)

All America ever heard about from the Democrat Party Wench, 'Nancy Pelosi'.. and her fellow Democrat Party Quislings was, 'Republican Party cronyism and their corruption', ..and the drumbeat went on and on endlessly.

SO WHAT ABOUT TODAY?

G.E. and the DEMOCRAT PARTY:

Lets see now, ..GENERAL ELECTRIC OWNS NBC, and their Cable News network MSNBC who ALL have been in the TANK not only FOR the Democrat Party, but ALSO Barack Omama's Presidential campaign, and for ALL of the television commercials on NBC and its affiliates that push for an environmently GREENER AMERICA...

Oh gee, what a co-incidence that General Electric IS currently INVESTING heavily in a 'GREEN AMERICA', and stands to make BILLIONS in a SOCIALIZED health care system that the Democrat Party Socialist Congress are ALSO attempting to MANDATE upon ALL of America..

Another co-onicidence, the General Electric company ALSO recieved OVER 100 BILLION DOLLARS of TAX-PAYER bail-out money from the Obama administration...

And thats not bad one one considers that GE financial services have NO regulatory oversite commitee and virtually NO transparency. (only the foxes are guarding the hen house)


ACORN and the DEMOCRAT PARTY:

Oh yes, we must get un-registered voters 'registered' so that they can take part in their own American government, and the vote process itself...

How can anybody quarrel with that wonderful 'non-partisan' community grass-roots activism, or find any fault with it?

Only one problem, those working for the 'criminal' ACORN organization are registering EVERYBODY as 'DEMOCRAT PARTY' voters, and people were paid to go out and register them as DEMOCRAT PARTY voters!

ACORN's founder, Wade Rathke, who's brother, 'Dale Rathke'.. EMBEZZELED 100 MILLION DOLLARS from the organization, and there was no honest prosecution for it, and damn little NEWS coverage of it either by most Media networks. (Sure it would have been a monumental embarrassment for Barack Obama and Democrat Party members who ARE and have always been ACTIVISTS and advocates and supporters for ACORN.)

It seems that members of the Democrat Party Congress, and especially the champion of so called 'honest investigations',..democrat 'John Conyers' do NOT have any desire to INVESTIGATE the corrupt and criminal ACORN organization for CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY,THE MIS-USE of tax-payer FUNDS and the VOTER FRAUD that DID occur in the 2008 Presidential election.

Why do many Americans have the FEELING that the WHOLE deck of the DEMOCRAT PARTY'S 'cards of corruption' is about to be EXPOSED for ALL to SEE as individual States are now INVESTIGATING the criminal enterprise of ACORN since the newly elected Democrat Party Controlled FEDERAL GOVERNMENT refuses, as do most Liberal Socialist Network Media outlets.

Somehow it looks like the REAL party is just starting to begin that WILL unravel ALL of the Democrat Party corruption ALONG with their fascist POWER GRIP.

It appears that this is just the tip of the ice-berg too!

SEE BELOW: THE M.O. OF ACORN
__________________________________________________ _________


Acorn uses various affiliated groups to agitate for "a living wage," for "affordable housing," for "tax justice" and union and environmental goals, as well as against school choice and welfare reform. It was a major contributor to the subprime meltdown by pushing lenders to make home loans on easy terms, conducting "strikes" against banks so they'd lower credit standards.

But the organization's real genius is getting American taxpayers to foot the bill. According to a 2006 report from the Employment Policies Institute (EPI), Acorn has been on the federal take since 1977. For instance, Acorn's American Institute for Social Justice claimed $240,000 in tax money between fiscal years 2002 and 2003. Its American Environmental Justice Project received 100% of its revenue from government grants in the same years. EPI estimates the Acorn Housing Corporation alone received some $16 million in federal dollars from 1997-2007. Only recently, Democrats tried and failed to stuff an "affordable housing" provision into the $700 billion bank rescue package that would have let politicians give even more to Acorn.

All this money gives Acorn the ability to pursue its other great hobby: electing liberals. Acorn is spending $16 million this year to register new Democrats and is already boasting it has put 1.3 million new voters on the rolls. The big question is how many of these registrations are real.


The Michigan Secretary of State told the press in September that Acorn had submitted "a sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications."

Earlier this month, Nevada's Democratic Secretary of State Ross Miller requested a raid on Acorn's offices, following complaints of false names and fictional addresses (including the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys).

Nevada's Clark County Registrar of Voters Larry Lomax said he saw rampant fraud in 2,000 to 3,000 applications Acorn submitted weekly.

Officials in Ohio are investigating voter fraud connected with Acorn, and Florida's Seminole County is withholding Acorn registrations that appear fraudulent. New Mexico, North Carolina and Missouri are looking into hundreds of dubious Acorn registrations. Wisconsin is investigating Acorn employees for, according to an election official, "making people up or registering people that were still in prison."

Obama and Acorn - WSJ.com
Plain goofy.

If GE is the big 'liberal' beast, then why did they (as did all the biggies) write amicus curae briefs in FAVOR of Fox News' position that it could lie to the American people in its newscasts when it suited their financial interests?

That case was Akres v Fox News in 2003, fyi.

Also, please point out a single case of voter fraud. That's gonna be almost impossible, whereas I can easily reference about 3-500 PROVEN cases of voter intimidation since 1980.

Oh, I see this BS comes courtesy of Rupie's Wall Street Journal, Fox Cable's money-losing sister operation.

Figures.

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Old 05-17-2009, 07:44 PM
 
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Massive Corruption in the Democrat Party? Why who would have thought?

And now 'finally' the American people are seeing what a goddamn LIAR the Democrat Party House Speaker, 'Nancy Pelosi' really is in regard to different issues and matters?

For years the Liberal Socialist Media and Democrat Party spokespeople told everybody that the Bush administration, and specifically Dick Cheney was lining their pockets by awarding Federal contracts to Haliburton...

Of course that was okay to disseminate that type of disgusting Liberal Media journalism because Cheney had previously been employed by Haliburton, so it was only 'assumed' that Cheney somehow was being handsomely rewarded in return for the granting of Federal contracts to Haliburton. (If there was ever 'any' real evidence it has NEVER been established?)

All America ever heard about from the Democrat Party Wench, 'Nancy Pelosi'.. and her fellow Democrat Party Quislings was, 'Republican Party cronyism and their corruption', ..and the drumbeat went on and on endlessly.

SO WHAT ABOUT TODAY?

G.E. and the DEMOCRAT PARTY:

Lets see now, ..GENERAL ELECTRIC OWNS NBC, and their Cable News network MSNBC who ALL have been in the TANK not only FOR the Democrat Party, but ALSO Barack Omama's Presidential campaign, and for ALL of the television commercials on NBC and its affiliates that push for an environmently GREENER AMERICA...

Oh gee, what a co-incidence that General Electric IS currently INVESTING heavily in a 'GREEN AMERICA', and stands to make BILLIONS in a SOCIALIZED health care system that the Democrat Party Socialist Congress are ALSO attempting to MANDATE upon ALL of America..

Another co-onicidence, the General Electric company ALSO recieved OVER 100 BILLION DOLLARS of TAX-PAYER bail-out money from the Obama administration...

And thats not bad one one considers that GE financial services have NO regulatory oversite commitee and virtually NO transparency. (only the foxes are guarding the hen house)


ACORN and the DEMOCRAT PARTY:

Oh yes, we must get un-registered voters 'registered' so that they can take part in their own American government, and the vote process itself...

How can anybody quarrel with that wonderful 'non-partisan' community grass-roots activism, or find any fault with it?

Only one problem, those working for the 'criminal' ACORN organization are registering EVERYBODY as 'DEMOCRAT PARTY' voters, and people were paid to go out and register them as DEMOCRAT PARTY voters!

ACORN's founder, Wade Rathke, who's brother, 'Dale Rathke'.. EMBEZZELED 100 MILLION DOLLARS from the organization, and there was no honest prosecution for it, and damn little NEWS coverage of it either by most Media networks. (Sure it would have been a monumental embarrassment for Barack Obama and Democrat Party members who ARE and have always been ACTIVISTS and advocates and supporters for ACORN.)

It seems that members of the Democrat Party Congress, and especially the champion of so called 'honest investigations',..democrat 'John Conyers' do NOT have any desire to INVESTIGATE the corrupt and criminal ACORN organization for CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY,THE MIS-USE of tax-payer FUNDS and the VOTER FRAUD that DID occur in the 2008 Presidential election.

Why do many Americans have the FEELING that the WHOLE deck of the DEMOCRAT PARTY'S 'cards of corruption' is about to be EXPOSED for ALL to SEE as individual States are now INVESTIGATING the criminal enterprise of ACORN since the newly elected Democrat Party Controlled FEDERAL GOVERNMENT refuses, as do most Liberal Socialist Network Media outlets.

Somehow it looks like the REAL party is just starting to begin that WILL unravel ALL of the Democrat Party corruption ALONG with their fascist POWER GRIP.

It appears that this is just the tip of the ice-berg too!

SEE BELOW: THE M.O. OF ACORN
__________________________________________________ _________


Acorn uses various affiliated groups to agitate for "a living wage," for "affordable housing," for "tax justice" and union and environmental goals, as well as against school choice and welfare reform. It was a major contributor to the subprime meltdown by pushing lenders to make home loans on easy terms, conducting "strikes" against banks so they'd lower credit standards.

But the organization's real genius is getting American taxpayers to foot the bill. According to a 2006 report from the Employment Policies Institute (EPI), Acorn has been on the federal take since 1977. For instance, Acorn's American Institute for Social Justice claimed $240,000 in tax money between fiscal years 2002 and 2003. Its American Environmental Justice Project received 100% of its revenue from government grants in the same years. EPI estimates the Acorn Housing Corporation alone received some $16 million in federal dollars from 1997-2007. Only recently, Democrats tried and failed to stuff an "affordable housing" provision into the $700 billion bank rescue package that would have let politicians give even more to Acorn.

All this money gives Acorn the ability to pursue its other great hobby: electing liberals. Acorn is spending $16 million this year to register new Democrats and is already boasting it has put 1.3 million new voters on the rolls. The big question is how many of these registrations are real.


The Michigan Secretary of State told the press in September that Acorn had submitted "a sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications."

Earlier this month, Nevada's Democratic Secretary of State Ross Miller requested a raid on Acorn's offices, following complaints of false names and fictional addresses (including the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys).

Nevada's Clark County Registrar of Voters Larry Lomax said he saw rampant fraud in 2,000 to 3,000 applications Acorn submitted weekly.

Officials in Ohio are investigating voter fraud connected with Acorn, and Florida's Seminole County is withholding Acorn registrations that appear fraudulent. New Mexico, North Carolina and Missouri are looking into hundreds of dubious Acorn registrations. Wisconsin is investigating Acorn employees for, according to an election official, "making people up or registering people that were still in prison."

Obama and Acorn - WSJ.com

Bravo!
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Old 05-17-2009, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Not much came of many of those "items" mentioned in the 7 month old article....indicted is not convicted, and Im sure from 2004,5 and 6 a trial would have happened, if there was one. (I don't know, never saw anything other then 20 or 30 articles like this mentioning people being indicted, but never a mention of trials and convictions)


The only thing I found is this year which stems from the summer of 2008 raid:

Attorney General Cortez Masto filed charges alleging the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now had policies requiring employees in Las Vegas to sign up 20 new voters per day or be fired.


So the charges are on the Policy of the Organization.
That might be registration fraud or less, but not voter or election fraud and only at a local location, not a state or nation wide conspiracy.

While I do not care for any National Organization (including all religious groups and political parties) including Acorn, making them the devils right hand isn't solving any of the issues.

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Old 05-17-2009, 08:07 PM
 
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Not much came of many of those "items" mentioned in the 7 month old article....indicted is not convicted, and Im sure from 2004,5 and 6 a trial would have happened, if there was one. (I don't know, never saw anything other then 20 or 30 articles like this mentioning people being indicted, but never a mention of trials and convictions)


The only thing I found is this year:

Attorney General Cortez Masto filed charges alleging the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now had policies requiring employees in Las Vegas to sign up 20 new voters per day or be fired.

but that might be registration fraud but not voter fraud and only at a local location.

While I do not care for any National Organization (including all religious groups and political parties) including Acorn, making them the devils right hand isn't solving any of the issues.
Per the legal system, it is fraud against the company (Acorn), as well as against the state.

The funny thing that's always overlooked (on purpose, 'cause it ruins the story, otherwise) is that in most states by law, Acorn is obligated to pass-on ALL names it receives, and points-out any fraudulent ones that it catches- which is a high percentage of them.
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Old 05-17-2009, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Charleston, WV
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Massive Corruption in the Democrat Party? Why who would have thought?
May have missed it in your post but don't think you mentioned......

former Acorn Board members and others have been asking the Feds to investigate Acorn - they are deeply concerned about finances and other activities of Acorn. They had hope for an investigation with Rep. Conyers but he has let them down.

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Now two whistleblowers, ......... testified under oath before the House Judiciary Committee that the organization [Acorn] took money to intimidate capitalist organizations ......... ACORN is proving to be tough nut to crack | thespectrum.com | The Spectrum
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Senator John Conyers (D-Mich.) is mentioned and the current chairwoman of the D.C. office is convinced that ’someone got to him’, now that he refuses to investigate ACORN. He has recently stated that he did not see any actions that would indicate to him that ACORN was involved in ANY illegal activities…..hours later charges were filed in several states against ACORN and employees of ACORN on the charges of voter registration fraud. Glenn Beck interviews two members of the ‘ACORN 8′ « RBO
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But the Times' investigation suddenly stopped dead, prompting a call from Strom to MonCrief, her source. A voicemail from Strom was left on Oct. 21, 2008:
"Hi, Anita, it's Stephanie. I've just been asked by my bosses to stand down. ACORN is proving to be tough nut to crack | thespectrum.com | The Spectrum
Former ACORN Board Members Speak Out - Glenn Beck - FOXNews.com
Fired ACORN Board Member Karen Inman Speaks Out
ACORN board fires members – CNN Special Investigations Unit - CNN.com Blogs
The American Spectator : No Justice, No Peace
The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : Conyers Throwing ACORN Under the Bus?
Also check out Glenn Beck's recent shows on Acorn including the interviews with the former BOD members
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Old 05-17-2009, 10:44 PM
 
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Beck said ACORN received as much as $10 million in federal grants last year. But it could get up to $8 billion more from the GIVE Act, after the House passed Rep. Barney Frank's amendment allowing organizations indicted for voter fraud or related crimes to receive taxpayer dollars.

Will the left show any concern with Acorn, for any of this? I doubt it, since ACORN has zero affiliations with the Republican Party.

Link >> Another ACORN scandal – in a funeral home?

Hmmm, and Conyers just dropped his promise and zeal for an investigation of Acorn.
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Old 05-17-2009, 10:45 PM
 
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May have missed it in your post but don't think you mentioned......

former Acorn Board members and others have been asking the Feds to investigate Acorn - they are deeply concerned about finances and other activities of Acorn. They had hope for an investigation with Rep. Conyers but he has let them down.






Former ACORN Board Members Speak Out - Glenn Beck - FOXNews.com
Fired ACORN Board Member Karen Inman Speaks Out
ACORN board fires members – CNN Special Investigations Unit - CNN.com Blogs
The American Spectator : No Justice, No Peace
The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : Conyers Throwing ACORN Under the Bus?
Also check out Glenn Beck's recent shows on Acorn including the interviews with the former BOD members
So, if it's so bad, show me the cases that prove systemic voter fraud.

I'll give you a hint: there are ZERO.
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Old 05-17-2009, 10:55 PM
 
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So, if it's so bad, show me the cases that prove systemic voter fraud.

I'll give you a hint: there are ZERO.
?????????? What???? I didn't say anything about voter fraud.
My post was about the financial concerns, etc. of the former BOD members.

Watch the interviews of the women:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAPmPfvNLCo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qImfqQgyJRI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWyEmlvUjQc
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Old 05-17-2009, 11:18 PM
 
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?????????? What???? I didn't say anything about voter fraud.
My post was about the financial concerns, etc. of the former BOD members.

Watch the interviews of the women:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAPmPfvNLCo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qImfqQgyJRI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWyEmlvUjQc
First of all, we need to understand what a court case is:

A court case is a legal action brought in a court of law and equity where both sides are represented by council, the proceedings happen under the auspices of a judge, and perhaps (varies by state, etc) a jury is present.

Then there is the word "systemic". Systemic in this case means conspiracy; an act between two or more individuals to get unlawful votes in the system.

Again, there are NO such cases of this on record!


What you have provided is innuendo from Fox and Glenn Beck of all places.

And let's talk about Fox, and all US media for a second. In 1999 and ending in 2003 Fox News sucessfully challenged an FCC rule that had been on the books since the 1930's which stated that factual information HAD to be reported. Unbelievably, the FLA 2nd District Court (Yes, Fla-it's always some low-rent state where stuff like this happens) agreed that Fox's interpretation of the rule (not a rule at all, but a suggestion which could be ignored for (in that specific case), Fox's business interests), and so ALL media is allowed to broadcast outright lies in their "news" programs.

Like the one's Beck selling the faithful, in the mat'l you provided.

But you say, court cases are too high of a bar to set. We can use innuendo, cause that's what the other side does.

Bull!

Voting Rights Act: Evidence of Continued Need

If you read this document on the renewal of the Voting Rights Act (2006), you will see where over 300 cases (legal actions) challenging systemic voter intimidation, mostly in the South, are brought in the record.

Some evil, lefty plot you say. Hardly. This was when the Republicans still controlled Congress, and the cases were jointly introduced by Mel Watts of NC, and Jim Sensenbrenner of Wisc.
You know Sensenbrenner, right?
Conservative, Republican. Only thing I've ever agreed with him was his actions in getting the act renewed.

See, because voter intimidation is the REAL problem, not some hocus-pocus bulls*it on Fox, but real stuff, proven in real court cases.

It's why Alberto fired the 8 AG's.

So, I also ask you, what do you have against giving Fed $ to aid oranizations like ACORN (which are non-partisan):

http://crooksandliars.com/silentpatr...ed-acorn-rally

and which have as their goal increased voter participation?

What's the innuendo on this?

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Old 05-17-2009, 11:51 PM
 
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May have missed it in your post but don't think you mentioned......

former Acorn Board members and others have been asking the Feds to investigate Acorn - they are deeply concerned about finances and other activities of Acorn. They had hope for an investigation with Rep. Conyers but he has let them down.






Former ACORN Board Members Speak Out - Glenn Beck - FOXNews.com
Fired ACORN Board Member Karen Inman Speaks Out
ACORN board fires members – CNN Special Investigations Unit - CNN.com Blogs
The American Spectator : No Justice, No Peace
The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : Conyers Throwing ACORN Under the Bus?
Also check out Glenn Beck's recent shows on Acorn including the interviews with the former BOD members
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