~* Abortion debate and poll *~ (soldiers, million, world, against)

[wjtwet]

Originally Posted by Langlen

You said, and I quote,



Nothing about "humans", merely "beings".

Not all killing is murder.

If someone tries to kill you, and you defend yourself against them, it's not considered murder, but self defense. Not applying this to the current situation, but just saying.

The problem is the pro choice can conviently deny that they are killing a human being. They can hide behind their self righteous armor that the woman as a right to kill.

The pro lifers see that embryo as human life. if you see it as a human life you must defend it . when you see it a life being denied the right to live your perspective of a woman has a right to kill changes.

[Langlen]

Originally Posted by wjtwet

The problem is the pro choice can conviently deny that they are killing a human being. They can hide behind their self righteous armor that the woman as a right to kill.

The pro lifers see that embryo as human life. if you see it as a human life you must defend it . when you see it a life being denied the right to live your perspective of a woman has a right to kill changes.

I've always seen the fetus as human life. I've never said it was anything but. However, I don't see the fetus as human life equal to already existing life. I don't think human life is something that must always be defended.

[GregW]

I respectfully decline to provide any more opinion than to state that a woman has the right to abort a fetus for whatever reason. She is in control of her body. Without that fundamental control all women are, to some extent, slaves. If I were a woman I would find that completely unacceptable.

[skoro]

Those who oppose abortion should never be forced to get one.

Those who oppose abortion should never impose their desires on anyone else.

[wjtwet]

Originally Posted by Langlen

I've always seen the fetus as human life. I've never said it was anything but. However, I don't see the fetus as human life equal to already existing life. I don't think human life is something that must always be defended.

whether you judge it as a low level human life or human life that already exists you have judged it as human life. denying a human life their right to be alive is murder. I do not feel I am eligible to judge what human life is higher that other human life.

[wjtwet]

Originally Posted by skoro

Those who oppose abortion should never be forced to get one.

Those who oppose abortion should never impose their desires on anyone else.

Same thing as saying those who appose murder should never be forced to murder

Those who oppose murder should never impose their desires on anyone

[wjtwet]

Originally Posted by GregW

I respectfully decline to provide any more opinion than to state that a woman has the right to abort a fetus for whatever reason. She is in control of her body. Without that fundamental control all women are, to some extent, slaves. If I were a woman I would find that completely unacceptable.

The fetus which is a human life is the slave. The fetuse has no control if the mother decides to kill him. If i was a fetus again I woudl find that unacceptable and hope someone would eb standing for my rights.

[saganista]

Originally Posted by wjtwet

the under lying principle of anti abortion is that we beleive in the sanctity of life, life begins at conception so there is no room for discussion. A pro lifer will not say it ok to kill some and not ok to kill some.

The underlying principle of pro-choice is that you don't get to make stuff up out of thin air and then impose it upon everybody else.

Once you come up with some sort of convincing secular argument against abortion, we will all be pro-lifers. That hasn't happened yet. And after all these decades, that failure leads rather many to suspect that none will be forthcoming.

You're free to believe whatever you like, no matter how goofy. You are free to act on those beliefs in your own life. Your rights end there. Abruptly.

[saganista]

Originally Posted by seamusnh

Human life? A human life with different DNA from her own? How is that any different from getting rid of an unwanted life when the baby is 3 days old?

If you aren't able to discern the qualitative difference between a conceptus and a newborn, you aren't really to a point of being prepared to discuss much of anything related to this topic...

BABY

NOT A BABY

[saganista]

Originally Posted by wjtwet

Same thing as saying those who appose murder should never be forced to murder. Those who oppose murder should never impose their desires on anyone

Yes, exactly the same except for the fact that there are copious convincing secular arguments against murder, while there are none at all against abortion. Everyone is anti-murder. Even murderers do not support murder. Go get yourself some arguments that let you establish the same sort of state with regard to abortion.