~* Abortion debate and poll *~ (program, conservative, legal, health care)

[Theliberalvoice]

Originally Posted by Greatday

What I'm pointing out to you is, the law views the "fetus" as an unborn child.

If the law recognized the fetus as a "child", wouldn't abortion be illegal?

It is NOT a child.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by Theliberalvoice

It is NOT a child.

The law disagrees with you.

[Theliberalvoice]

Originally Posted by Greatday

The law disagrees with you.

Then why isn't abortion illegal?

Why did you not answer it the first time?

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by Theliberalvoice

Then why isn't abortion illegal?

Why did you not answer it the first time?

See, you have stepped into the crux of the problem:

The Court has been convinced that abortion should be legal - to a point.

YET, in the event of the unborn being killed during an attack on the pregnant female - a murder charge can be brought - which, as I think you know, can only happen if the unborn is a CHILD.

Again - like I said - you have walked into the MUDDIED issues surrounding abortion.

[Theliberalvoice]

Originally Posted by Greatday

See, you have stepped into the crux of the problem:

The Court has been convinced that abortion should be legal - to a point.

YET, in the event of the unborn being killed during an attack on the pregnant female - a murder charge can be brought - which, as I think you know, can only happen if the unborn is a CHILD.

Again - like I said - you have walked into the MUDDIED issues surrounding abortion.

Has been convinced? No, they KNOW it is should be legal because it is the WOMANS choice. Simple as that. I know for a fact that if they make abortion illegal, there will be major riots. It should not be made illegal especially in cases of rape or mothers life in danger.

And I agree with the fact that if a woman is attacked while pregnant, it should be a murder charge. If a woman is attacked at all, it is a shame.

The potential is a child, yes. Without a doubt. But at that time, it may or may not have been.

It is muddied. You are right. None of us will change our minds. To me, the woman will ALWAYS come first-ESPECIALLY if she was raped or if her life is in danger. If SHE says she would die for the child, then the doctor can save the child instead of her but the woman should be the default.

[victorianpunk]

First off, let me say that I am not sure if I am "pro-choice" or "pro-life" myself. Second, let's say, as a disclaimer, that this question, while based on facts, is just a hypothetical situation.

Well, the argument for abortion is that it is 1) a women's right to her own body 2) the quality of life of the unborn child. Okay, fair enough. Using that criteria, here is my question:

Let's assume you stumbled upon me as I was just putting a noose around my neck to commit suicide (disclaimer: Just a hypothetical situation) let's say that I want to commit suicide because my quality of life sucks, i.e., I am "deformed" ( I am a male who is 5'2 [152 centimeters] and balding) and am not particularly charming (social deformity). So, I am going to kill myself...would you, as a pro-choice person, call the police to stop me or let it happen?

If the answer is "yes, I would" why? Is it not a matter of my "quality of life" (being a short guy sucks in ways few women can understand) and is it not my "right to my own body"? I mean, if a woman can abort her fetus without anyone stopping her, then shouldn't I as a man have the right to give myself a "81st trimester" abortion?

I think I might have more of a right to suicide, considering I am making the decision for myself, and not for a third party (the fetus) who has no say.

So, are you pro-choice but anti-suicide and if so, how do you not feel like a hypocrite?

Like I said, I am unsure about abortion but I do, however, believe 100% in the rights of people to end their own lives as they see fit, as long as they are not harming anyone else in the process, i.e., no jumping off buildings and maybe hitting people on the streets bellow.

Keep in mind that I am not just talking about suicide due to terminal illness. I don't care if you're killing yourself because the Yankees lost the world series or "King of the Hill" got canceled, it's your life, your decision, and I do not think the government or any busy-body should get in the way of your decision....wether or not a fetus counts as a person who has a decision of their own, I don't know.

[SLCPUNK]

We should be free to do what we like with our bodies; assisted suicide comes to mind. If I have a logical reason to end my life prematurely then who are you (or the government) to tell me otherwise?

Furthermore you assume that all those in favor of the pro choice position also are pro abortion. I most certainly am not, and saying that I would probably try and stop somebody from killing themselves (brought about by depression of financial distress etc.)

[dcsldcd]

Liberals will be all for the death option. Conservatives will be for the save your life and help you option.

[victorianpunk]

Originally Posted by SLCPUNK

We should be free to do what we like with our bodies; assisted suicide comes to mind. If I have a logical reason to end my life prematurely then who are you (or the government) to tell me otherwise?

Furthermore you assume that all those in favor of the pro choice position also are pro abortion. I most certainly am not, and saying that I would probably try and stop somebody from killing themselves.

But why? And why do I need a "logical reason"? I mean, people have abortions for all kinds of reasons, like they can't take care of a baby, then why couldn't someone be able to kill themselves because they can't take care of themselves?

[Emeraldmaiden]

I think anyone coming across a suicide in process (except assisted suicide) would be likely to try to stop the person. But I also believe that you have a right to end your own life, for whatever reason.

As to deformities in abortion, those are catastrophic deformities like trisomy disorders, anencephaly (no brain), severe spina bifida, and so on.

Pro-choice really just means that you believe people have the right to make their own decisions, in concert with their medical professionals. I personally don't think I could ever have an abortion (not that I'd get an opportunity, since I am infertile), but I believe that the decision another woman makes is her decision, not mine.