~* Abortion debate and poll *~ (claims, religion, slavery, women)

[wjtwet]

Originally Posted by saganista

The underlying principle of pro-choice is that you don't get to make stuff up out of thin air and then impose it upon everybody else.

Once you come up with some sort of convincing secular argument against abortion, we will all be pro-lifers. That hasn't happened yet. And after all these decades, that failure leads rather many to suspect that none will be forthcoming.

You're free to believe whatever you like, no matter how goofy. You are free to act on those beliefs in your own life. Your rights end there. Abruptly.

the gap lies in what one believes is a life. The pro choice have imposed death by denial of the right to live on 49 million.

Pro choice does not believe that the embryo is life therefore you can marginalize it by saying the mother has a right to kill.

You are free to believe what you like no matter how goofy, You currently have the legal right to this genocide as the Germans made it legal to kill Jews.

[wjtwet]

Originally Posted by saganista

Yes, exactly the same except for the fact that there are copious convincing secular arguments against murder, while there are none at all against abortion. Everyone is anti-murder. Even murderers do not support murder. Go get yourself some arguments that let you establish the same sort of state with regard to abortion.

You deny and embyo has the right not to be denied life. Denying some the right to live is murder. People can hide behind their secular belief that woman has the right to murder, because she can choose to do so. Just becasue its legal does not make it right.

[skoro]

Originally Posted by wjtwet

Same thing as saying those who appose murder should never be forced to murder

No it isn't.

Those who oppose murder should never impose their desires on anyone

Your world is twisted.

[skoro]

Originally Posted by wjtwet

the gap lies in what one believes is a life. The pro choice have imposed death by denial of the right to live on 49 million.

Pro choice does not beleive that the embryo is life therefore you can marginalize it by saying the mother has a right to kill.

You are freto beleive what you like no matter how goofy, You currently have the legal right to this genocide as the germans made it legal to kill jews.

Why are so many ardently pro-life folks strongly opposed to birth control measures that would minimize the demand for abortions?

[Langlen]

Originally Posted by wjtwet

whether you judge it as a low level human life or human life that already exists you have judged it as human life. denying a human life their right to be alive is murder. I do not feel I am eligible to judge what human life is higher that other human life.

And I disagree. Again: Not all killing is considered murder.

Or every soldier who has ever killed is considered a murderer.

Or whenever you kill someone in self defense, you should be prosecuted for murder.

Or whenever you kill someone by accident, you should get the book thrown at you.

[wjtwet]

Originally Posted by skoro

No it isn't.



Your world is twisted.

If you think opposing murder and preserving life is twisted then ye sI am twisted.
I am so twisted i think 49 million people being denied their right to live is a bad thing.
I am so twisted i think protecting our most innocent is a worthy cause.

[wjtwet]

Originally Posted by skoro

Why are so many ardently pro-life folks strongly opposed to birth control measures that would minimize the demand for abortions?

Speaking for myself i am very pro birth control methods using them and teaching them.

[wjtwet]

Originally Posted by Langlen

And I disagree. Again: Not all killing is considered murder.

Or every soldier who has ever killed is considered a murderer.


Or whenever you kill someone in self defense, you should be prosecuted for murder.

Or whenever you kill someone by accident, you should get the book thrown at you.

As far as i know soldiers do not perform abortions.

How killing an unborn self defense? unless the mothers life is in imminent danger.

Abortion is not an accident its pre meditated act of murder.

[Langlen]

Originally Posted by wjtwet

As far as i know soldiers do not perform abortions.

How killing an unborn self defense? unless the mothers life is in imminent danger.

Abortion is not an accident its pre meditated act of murder.

I disagree. And so does the legal definition of murder.

Also, I never said it was self defense, although it could technically be considered so, if the woman doesn't want the fetus there. What with the fetus sapping her nutrients against her will.

My point was that not all killing is murder. Abortion is killing, most definitely, but I don't think it's murder.

[wjtwet]

Originally Posted by Langlen

I disagree. And so does the legal definition of murder.

Also, I never said it was self defense, although it could technically be considered so, if the woman doesn't want the fetus there. What with the fetus sapping her nutrients against her will.

My point was that not all killing is murder. Abortion is killing, most definitely, but I don't think it's murder.

All abortions that are performed fro any reason but defending the life of the the mother is murder. You can say that the fetus us a lower level of human life so it is ok to kill it with abortion. it is the same argument we made about slaves being a lower form of life so we could treat them how we wanted. same argument germ,ans made against Jews they are a lower for of life so it was OK to exterminate them.

I choose not to see that as a valid argument. If you believe it is life then to deny it the right to live is murder