~* Abortion debate and poll *~ (elect, Army, medical, children)

[Langlen]

Originally Posted by wjtwet

All abortions that are performed fro any reason but defending the life of the the mother is murder. You can say that the fetus us a lower level of human life so it is ok to kill it with abortion. it is the same argument we made about slaves being a lower form of life so we could treat them how we wanted. same argument germ,ans made against Jews they are a lower for of life so it was OK to exterminate them.

I choose not to see that as a valid argument. If you believe it is life then to deny it the right to live is murder

And I disagree. Because I don't consider any killing outside of self defense to be murder. Therefore, at this point, we should just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

[MsMcQ LV]

Originally Posted by wjtwet

You are free to believe what you like no matter how goofy, You currently have the legal right to this genocide as the Germans made it legal to kill Jews.

Did you read my previous post with the definition of genocide? I don't know if you did or not, because you never replied, so here's the definition again, along with my question:

From Websters:

: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group

So tell us, please, how women of varying racial, political or cultural groups choosing abortion for whatever reasons they deem correct amounts to 'genocide'?

[seamusnh]

Originally Posted by skoro

Those who oppose abortion should never be forced to get one.

Those who oppose abortion should never impose their desires on anyone else.

Sure. How ridiculous do these statements sound:

"Those who oppose slavery should never be forced to own one.
Those who oppose slavery should never impose their desires on anyone else"

"Those who oppose capital punishment should never be forced to execute anyone.
Those who oppose capital punishment should never impose their desires on anyone else"

[seamusnh]

Originally Posted by saganista

If you aren't able to discern the qualitative difference between a conceptus and a newborn, you aren't really to a point of being prepared to discuss much of anything related to this topic...

BABY

NOT A BABY

Check the DNA. Both are human. They are distinct from each other. They are distinct from the mother. Neither is a parasite. Neither is a tumor.

If you are not able to recognize that DNA evidence, you aren't to a point of being prepared to discuss much of anything related to this topic... It is science, not religion, not pictures...

[seamusnh]

Originally Posted by newtoli

The baby does not require 1 specific adult to grow and live at that point.

OK. So ending a human life is OK as otherwise it would inconvenience 1 specific adult.

[seamusnh]

Originally Posted by skoro

Why are so many ardently pro-life folks strongly opposed to birth control measures that would minimize the demand for abortions?

You'd have to ask them. If they are, they are hypocrits. Same for those that oppose abortion but support the death penalty.

[Langlen]

Originally Posted by seamusnh

Check the DNA. Both are human. They are distinct from each other. They are distinct from the mother. Neither is a parasite. Neither is a tumor.

If we use the definition of a parasite very loosely, the fetus COULD be considered a parasite. If it wasn't for the fact that it is the same species as the host and all.

And yes, I do personally believe abortion is okay if the fetus inconveniences its mother.

[justNancy]

Originally Posted by wjtwet

the under lying principle of anti abortion is that we beleive in the sanctity of life, life begins at conception so there is no room for discussion. A pro lifer will not say it ok to kill some and not ok to kill some.

There are a lot of things I don't believe in, but I can't always make the world turn my way. However, if you understand how to accomplish a goal, you would realize that you are defeating your own purpose.

From the Art of Negotiation:

"Negotiation entails meeting the other person's needs without losing sight of your own goals."

Being extreme, not willing to compromise, and imposing your own religious ideas only makes others question the validity of your claims and your credibility.

[wjtwet]

Originally Posted by MsMcQ LV

Did you read my previous post with the definition of genocide? I don't know if you did or not, because you never replied, so here's the definition again, along with my question:

From Websters:

So tell us, please, how women of varying racial, political or cultural groups choosing abortion for whatever reasons they deem correct amounts to 'genocide'?

I think i did reply on another thread but they asked us to use this thread.
the cultural group you are destroying is the cultural grioup known as the unborn.That group should not be denied its right to live . 49 million in that cultural group have been denied their right to life, 49 million is a genocide

[wjtwet]

Originally Posted by justNancy

There are a lot of things I don't believe in, but I can't always make the world turn my way. However, if you understand how to accomplish a goal, you would realize that you are defeating your own purpose.

From the Art of Negotiation:

"Negotiation entails meeting the other person's needs without losing sight of your own goals."

Being extreme, not willing to compromise, and imposing your own religious ideas only makes others question the validity of your claims and your credibility.

If being extreme means i defend life then yes i would be extreme. I do not think anywhere in any of my posts have I even mentioned religion .
in a negotiation each side has a bottom line they will not cross.
My bottom line is life, being given the chance to live.
By the way i also vehemently oppose the death penalty. State sponsored murder is as wrong as the mother choosing murder. The state can say its no murder because the law allows them to for justice. A woman can claim its not murder because she has the right to choose. I believe in preserving life.
So am i extreme for believing life is sacred, that is in each of our own definition of extreme. I do not see defending life and an extreme position