~* Abortion debate and poll *~ (examples, states, federal, doctor)

[wjtwet]

Originally Posted by seamusnh

You'd have to ask them. If they are, they are hypocrits. Same for those that oppose abortion but support the death penalty.

I oppose both.

[wjtwet]

Originally Posted by Langlen

And I disagree. Because I don't consider any killing outside of self defense to be murder. Therefore, at this point, we should just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Correct we need to agree to disagree but i appreciate the civil tone

[sskkc]

I see nothing wrong with a woman wanting to rid her body of an unwanted life.

Then why put a time limit on it? Why is it illegal to abort a child the day before it's due date vs. 5 months before? And if a child is born 2 months early, when and why would it qualify for human rights?

[Randomstudent]

I am pro-choice without children. If I was, however, in a situation where I was the father of an unwanted child and the mother asked me my opinion I would argue to keep the child and contended that I believe abortion is morally wrong, but it is still fundamentally the woman's choice.

[afoigrokerkok]

Originally Posted by wjtwet

I oppose both.

Same here...I also oppose unnecessary wars.

[afoigrokerkok]

Originally Posted by sskkc

I see nothing wrong with a woman wanting to rid her body of an unwanted life.

Then why put a time limit on it? Why is it illegal to abort a child the day before it's due date vs. 5 months before? And if a child is born 2 months early, when and why would it qualify for human rights?

Many posters on this forum want to make it legal.

[newtoli]

Originally Posted by afoigrokerkok

Many posters on this forum want to make it legal.

I wouldn't say there are "many" posters on this forum advocating elective abortion the day before the due date.

[ray1945]

Originally Posted by saganista

Exactly why calls to seek common ground are pointless. Right-to-lifers as a group have only one ground -- the one they stand upon with their feet set in cement. Any compromise at all is out of the question. They work from what they believe to be absolute revealed truth, even though there is no such actual revelation that they can point to. When that fact doesn't matter to them, it's no wonder that such things as science, reason, and logic have no effect.

Jesus spoke not a word about abortion. During his ministry, he did find time to talk about lepers and prostitutes, but at no point did it ever dawn on him to say a single thing about the practice (performed at the time in the temple) of seeking to dispose of an unwanted fetus. The matter just didn't come up.

And historically, there was no generalized outcry against abortion in this country until after the Civil War. The nature of that war produced legions of newly-trained surgeons, especially those skilled at amputations. After the war, there was nowhere for this new medical army to turn. Amputations are uncommon in a time of peace. So they turned to addressing the one related demand that is always common -- abortion. Unfortunately, these were the days prior to antiseptic surgery, and just as had been the case during war, huge numbers of patients began dying of infection even though the surgery itself had been a complete success. And these were now young mothers who were dying in droves, leaving large numbers of orphans and totally unprepared widowers behind to care for them. The cry that arose from the church and other socially aware institutions against abortion was a call to protect society from the loss of mothers, not the loss of fetuses.

Unfortunately for the long run, these calls were heard and heeded, and over the next forty years or so, abortion became illegal almost everywhere, that process ironically being completed at just about the same time that antiseptic surgery became the standard practice everywhere which would have solved the problem all by itself. It would be another fifty years before significant numbers of people began to note that hey, these laws made no sense anymore, and better than sixty before a court would finally get them off the books by noting that they trampled upon individual rights that were off-limits to such trampling. Thank you, Justice Blackmun et al, for having been so perceptive as to be able to recognize the obvious when so many others were and still are failing at the task...

Not allowed to give you any more rep points, so will have to post my appreciation for this very excellent post.

[ray1945]

Originally Posted by wjtwet

Same thing as saying those who appose murder should never be forced to murder

Those who oppose murder should never impose their desires on anyone

No, it is not.

Contrary to whatever you might believe, abortion is NOT murder and it is NOT against the law.

[ray1945]

Originally Posted by wjtwet

The fetus which is a human life is the slave. The fetuse has no control if the mother decides to kill him. If i was a fetus again I woudl find that unacceptable and hope someone would eb standing for my rights.

If you were a fetus again, you would not have the capacity to hope or to find anything unacceptable.