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Old 05-19-2009, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Was this stuff happening in the 1800's?
Children growing up feeling as if they were born the wrong physical gender? Quite likely. Parents actually acknowledging that it could be true? Unlikely. Of course we have lots of things now that weren't available in the 19th century, a better understanding of the human body, it's brain and all of the functions thereof being only one.

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Does this happen in every culture and every society on earth? Or just here?
Just as with homosexuality and bisexuality, transgenders seem to have been a constant, though very small, percentage of human population since the dawn of time. Though not much was ever written about it until lately, because it simply wasn't understood.
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Old 05-19-2009, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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There are plenty of modern psychologists and psychiatrists who do not agree with giving children hormone replacement therapy and do not agree with encouraging a child to choose which gender they identify with.

So let me ask this again:

What makes a difference when it comes to age? Why must a child wait till their 18 to be able to make the determination of whether or not they like having the set of genitals that they have?

You do know that the longer you wait to go through HRT, the more damage testosterone does to your body and the less likely the procedure would be as sucessful, right?
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Old 05-19-2009, 12:08 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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Children growing up feeling as if they were born the wrong physical gender? Quite likely. Parents actually acknowledging that it could be true? Unlikely. Of course we have lots of things now that weren't available in the 19th century, a better understanding of the human body, it's brain and all of the functions thereof being only one.



Just as with homosexuality and bisexuality, transgenders seem to have been a constant, though very small, percentage of human population since the dawn of time. Though not much was ever written about it until lately, because it simply wasn't understood.
Like I said I'm not talking about cross dressers. Again, that's a fantasy. Gender dysphoria is a psychological disorder. The only reason why you treat a psychological disorder with sexual reassignment surgery is so that the person can function in society.

Transgender men "present" themself as female in their mind have sex reassignment surgery, but they're not natural born "women". Only on paper. Not by genetics.
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Old 05-19-2009, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Southeast
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It is called Gender Identity Disorder (GID). It is a genetic defect that affects your hormones. It is actually rather common; however, rarely is the condition as severe as in the child mentioned in the OP. A few years ago a geneticist theorized that GID may also be a factor in homosexuality, as the same disorder occurs in nature..

Looks like the child's parents are just accepting who he is. You wouldn't change the way you feel about your kids when diagnosed with autism, would you? You would love them for who they were..
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Old 05-19-2009, 12:12 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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So let me ask this again:

What makes a difference when it comes to age? Why must a child wait till their 18 to be able to make the determination of whether or not they like having the set of genitals that they have?

You do know that the longer you wait to go through HRT, the more damage testosterone does to your body and the less likely the procedure would be as sucessful, right?
If you're born a male, testosterone is a natural male hormone for your body to produce in abundance.

It's the mind you're trying to match up with the body.

If an adult wants to engage in body modification in order for their body to suit their mind they should be allowed to do that.

A child is not capable of making a life altering decision, and should be monitored and studied. Not encouraged to behave as their perceived gender.

It's not up to the world to conform to the child's perception of their reality.

Reality is what it is.
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Old 05-19-2009, 12:13 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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It is called Gender Identity Disorder (GID). It is a genetic defect that affects your hormones. It is actually rather common; however, rarely is the condition as severe as in the child mentioned in the OP. A few years ago a geneticist theorized that GID may also be a factor in homosexuality, as the same disorder occurs in nature..

Looks like the child's parents are just accepting who he is. You wouldn't change the way you feel about your kids when diagnosed with autism, would you? You would love them for who they were..
There is no genetic basis for homosexuality.

Show me the report that proves GID is genetically based.

I imagine that catwoman Wildenstein and lizard man's disorder is genetically based as well.
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Old 05-19-2009, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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So, what would you have the therapist do? Try to make this child, who has always felt she is a girl, behave like a boy?
Yes. Because he IS a boy.

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What do you not understand about the fact that transgenders exist, have always existed and have always felt out of place in their own bodies?
I am not denying that mental illnesses exist.

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Forcing them into gender roles based solely on their physical gender is not going to make them any less the true gender they know they are. All that's going to do is alienate them further and, quite possibly, make them hate the one(s) who forced them into roles they know are false.[/color][/font]
Again, it's a mental illness. The gender they are is the gender they are. It doesn't matter that they think that they are another gender, just as it doesn't matter if someone thinks they are another species. If someone cannot come to grips with the physical reality of what they are then that is a mental problem of that person. A male THINKING that he is a female does not make it so - it does make that male someone who has a problem with reality.


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Well, I just invited a transgender friend of mine to the forum. I'll let her explain it to you, as she's been living it for nearly 60 years!
Explain how this is not a mental problem.
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Old 05-19-2009, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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No, this should not be allowed, and nature is what makes this decision.

Instead of the parents encouraging and supporting this, they should be out seeking mental help for their son.

Yeah, take that boy out and make a man of him! Make him play football, shower with men, eat worms, and play with cars! Aarh, aarh, aarh!
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Old 05-19-2009, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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Yeah, take that boy out and make a man of him! Make him play football, shower with men, eat worms, and play with cars! Aarh, aarh, aarh!
No. How about just not reinforcing his false belief that he is a girl?

Your hyperbole notwithstanding.
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Old 05-19-2009, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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That decision is one that is up to the child and the child's parents. NO one else outside of those three has any right to say what is done or isn't done allowed or isn't allowed. Period.
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