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There is a significant legal difference between rights and privileges. I suggest you learn how significant that difference is. Privileges are subject to the whims of government, rights are legally not.
LOL this doesn't change the spirit of our discussion and this is a poor counter on your part - you are getting into nonsensical technicalities. This is not the spirit of the law. This is at the very heart of why Legal systems are incorporating same-sex marriage into the equation, because when you apply the spirit of the law, same-sex marriage wins all the time because to deny them is unconstitutional. The writing is already on the wall and precedent is sweeping your nation like a tidal wave.
Let us assume marriage is a privilege. I think we can both agree that getting a driver's licence is a privilege. Gay people can get a Driver's Lincence, so why than concomittantly, gays cannot get a same-sex marriage licence. The arbiter of rights and privilege should engage in logic.
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LOL this doesn't change the spirit of our discussion and this is a poor counter on your part - you are getting into nonsensical technicalities. This is not the spirit of the law. This is at the very heart of why Legal systems are incorporating same-sex marriage into the equation, because when you apply the spirit of the law, same-sex marriage wins all the time because to deny them is unconstitutional. The writing is already on the wall and precedent is sweeping your nation like a tidal wave.
Let us assume marriage is a privilege. I think we can both agree that getting a driver's licence is a privilege. Gay people can get a Driver's Lincence, so why than concomittantly, gays cannot get a same-sex marriage licence. The arbiter of rights and privilege should engage in logic.
Drivers' licenses can be denied for any reason the government comes up with to deny them. They can decide you can only get one if you complete 20 years of practice and pay a million dollars. Absurd? Yeah, but they could legally do it, because driving is a privilege. They can't do the same with the right to vote.
I always include a comment on rights versus privileges in these threads...homosexuals go on and on about "rights" when they're seeking a privilege, and fail to understand the difference.
If everyone were white there wouldn't be Black people to begin with so they couldn't cease to exist since in that world they wouldn't exist to begin with. Poor counter example.
As for the rest...people do all sorts of things, but that doesnt make it normal...
Weak. You are being too myopic with semantics here to have a decent, adult discussion.
Drivers' licenses can be denied for any reason the government comes up with to deny them. They can decide you can only get one if you complete 20 years of practice and pay a million dollars. Absurd? Yeah, but they could legally do it, because driving is a privilege. They can't do the same with the right to vote.
I always include a comment on rights versus privileges in these threads...homosexuals go on and on about "rights" when they're seeking a privilege, and fail to understand the difference.
Do all of us a favor and explain why straight marriage is not a privilege and homosexual marriage is?
And try to do that without including a religious diatribe.
Do all of us a favor and explain why straight marriage is not a privilege and homosexual marriage is?
And try to do that without including a religious diatribe.
As of right now all marriages are a privilege in the U.S. not a right. Marriage license...grants a privilege, not a right, as licenses can't be required for rights.
As of right now all marriages are a privilege in the U.S. not a right. Marriage license...grants a privilege, not a right, as licenses can't be required for rights.
OK so make marriage a right for everyone straight marriages and gay marriages and everyone will be happy and will shut up and move on.
Gay marriage will soon be legal everywhere, it's a given. Right now things concerning homosexuality are in limbo but things can't stay this way much longer, nor can this issue dominate each and every election in each and every state for eternity. With most people already recognizing that the are just regular people who deserve the same respect as everyone else, and almost as many people agreeing that some kind of legal union should be offered, marriage is the only logical outcome. Some hold the term 'marriage' hostage for religious or cultural reasons but there isn't any legal reason. There is no chance that our society will ever again consider homosexuality a mental disease that must be treated or cured, or think that homosexuals are dangerous people that need to be locked up and/or shunned. Since we need to come down firmly, and completely, on one side of this issue to finally move on I think we all know how it's going to turn out. It's just a matter of time.
Gay marriage will soon be legal everywhere, it's a given. Right now things concerning homosexuality are in limbo but things can't stay this way much longer, nor can this issue dominate each and every election in each and every state for eternity. With most people already recognizing that the are just regular people who deserve the same respect as everyone else, and almost as many people agreeing that some kind of legal union should be offered, marriage is the only logical outcome. Some hold the term 'marriage' hostage for religious or cultural reasons but there isn't any legal reason. There is no chance that our society will ever again consider homosexuality a mental disease that must be treated or cured, or think that homosexuals are dangerous people that need to be locked up and/or shunned. Since we need to come down firmly, and completely, on one side of this issue to finally move on I think we all know how it's going to turn out. It's just a matter of time.
Well said
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