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Old 05-23-2009, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Orlando
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I'm furious when the struggle my parents and other blacks endured is being used to help two groups of people who haven't endured anything close to the h&$# my parents and black went through in the sixties.

Gay marriage advocates: You may or may not have a choice of being gay. But at least you have a choice of whether to be openly gay or go the Ted Haggard route and keep it a secret and try to appear like everyone else.


Black folks in the 60's had no choice in the matter of their skin color. If you are gay you can try to hide it and shack up with your partner like straight couples do,

I doubt that science will come up with a way that you can change your skin color from black to white.

Can you imagine being refused a seat at a resturant, being denied a job, being told where to sit on a bus, even drinking at a different water fountain of poor quality all becuase you were discriminated against over something you had ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL over like your skin color and race?

At the end of the day, gay marriage supporters and illegals are only fighting to make everyone else to accept the choices they made in their life. The blacks in the 60s were fighting to live life like everyone else and to not be punished for an aspect of their life they had no control over. At the end of the day, gays who want to marry inside their sex and illegals know nearly nothing about discrimination like the blacks in the civil rights era had to endure, so stop trying to hijack our struggle for your gain.
Wow, you apparently have no knowledge of newspapers, history or compassion.

Here is a simple history lesson, of the roughly 19 "subversive" groups placed in Nazi concentration camps the gays were at the lowest level. They received the worse treatment and had the highest mortality. They were earmarked with a pink triangle and subsequently slaughtered.... Do you still want to think gays don't experience discriomination... hmmm lets progress

1981 a group of gay men in San Francisco and NY develop diseases of very old men or babies... and then they seem to die. It went from 20 cases and started compounding. Action taken by the govenrment...= 0 ... You say it isnt their role... well a few years earlier a couple Legionaires got sick at a convention and the CDC descended on that hotel. They immediately investigated the issue until they found an answer.
Ronald Regan never mentioned AIDS until 1986. yes he ignored it totally for his first term in office. So because they were gay no action was taken. It wasnt until it was finally recognized and a non gay issue action was taken.
If you are old enough you may remember the Haitians being outraged at being categorized in the same group as gays....Haitians are Black by appearance.

Then you have random acts of a young man being tied to a fence post, beaten and left to die... sounds similar to the dragging death of the black man in Texas.... oh but heaven help us that we make a comparison.

The government acts against hate crimes... that is a crime against someone because they are black, or jewish... Nope not gay... because they are so hated they can't even be considered for hate crime legislation. and the blacks and jews sit idle as it goes on because they don't want to be associated with standing up for "that" group.

You should be ashamed of your statements. They are ignorant and you are uninformed. To even suggest a group should have to hide... wow are you reading what you write? I would think as a black man you of all people could understand hate and bigotry.

If you don't stand for those around you that need help sooner or later there will be no one to stand for you when you need it.

It was Spike Lee that said it pretty simply "do the right thing" . To take your stance is certainly not right and you would benefit everyone to come to a different conclusion.
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:37 PM
 
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Some people want to marry their animals, dogs, cats, horses....
Should the honorable family community be tolerant of their institution being trampled by perverse choices?

Gays should have kept to themselves and not tried to force their deviant choice on everyone else. Their parades, and media activism has caused a backlash that will not bring them peace, and has not brought them anything but condemnation.
We are talking about humans here, if you want to marry lassie go right ahead.
How can you compare pets to another human. The Gay community is not trying to force anything on you. They just want equal rights just like you and I. The same thing was said when women fought for their rights and the black community as well.

But most people that are against gay rights only do so becasue its what the society they live in says to do. What we all need to do is step outside the box here and ask...How are gays forcing their views onto us? Its no different than when people make out in public, if you don't like it, look away. As humans we all have different likes and dislikes. How can we say that what one person likes everyone else has to like.

Its for that reason we live in America. If you want to live in a society that everyone has to be the same, and can have no personality, move to a third world country. Here in AMERICA, We believe in equal rights...We even have thousands of dead soldiers to prove that. Our country believes in the ability to make a life with the freedom to choose whatever road to happiness we want, so much so that we fight for it everyday.

By allowing the gay community rights, we will here less about it. Everyone will be happy. Just because we give them equal rights doesn't mean that we are forced to follow their ways. Homosexuality will be here no matter what you do. If we focused the same amount of attention on actually making this world a better place as we do judging one another this country really would be the land of opportunity.
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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I would say the major one right now is that you and I, as heterosexuals, have the right to marry the adult person of our own choice. Gays and lesbians are being told that they have to marry someone who is not their choice, or remain single. (And even in states where they can legally wed, they STILL can't file federal taxes as a married couple; and if one of them should die, their spouse is STILL not entitled to draw SS benefits based on the work history of the deceased.) As heterosexuals, you and I don't need to worry about a landlord or employer 'discovering' our sexual orientation and evicting or firing us because of it. (And, yes, both of those are still legal in too many states in this country.) As heterosexuals, you and I don't have to worry when we simply walk down the street arm in arm with our partners. Two men or two women must be watching at all times to be sure no one is coming up behind them to bash them over the head for having the 'audacity' to simply walk down the street holding hands.
We heterosexuals don't have the right to marry the adult person of our choice. We can't marry someone not of legal age. We can't marry someone who is already married. And we can't marry our sister or brother. See, that is why marriage is not a "right," because there are restrictions and standards to meet.
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Texas
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We heterosexuals don't have the right to marry the adult person of our choice. We can't marry someone not of legal age. We can't marry someone who is already married. And we can't marry our sister or brother. See, that is why marriage is not a "right," because there are restrictions and standards to meet.
It's also a crime for us to have sex with someone not of legal age or with our siblings.

It's not a crime for two consenting adults who are of the same sex.
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:57 PM
 
Location: America's heartland
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We heterosexuals don't have the right to marry the adult person of our choice. We can't marry someone not of legal age. We can't marry someone who is already married. And we can't marry our sister or brother. See, that is why marriage is not a "right," because there are restrictions and standards to meet.
Very well-written. Thank you!
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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We heterosexuals don't have the right to marry the adult person of our choice. We can't marry someone not of legal age. We can't marry someone who is already married. And we can't marry our sister or brother. See, that is why marriage is not a "right," because there are restrictions and standards to meet.
What rights do we have?

And which of those rights come with absolutely no legal restrictions?
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Old 05-23-2009, 01:01 PM
 
Location: America's heartland
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It's also a crime for us to have sex with someone not of legal age or with our siblings and, in some states, with someone who is already married.

It's not a crime for two consenting adults who are of the same sex.
Two adults of the same sex that engage in repulsive activity may not be criminal in a legal sense, but it still is criminal in a moral sense the way their actions have been pushed into the mainstream for the rest of us to be forced to tolerate. Their actions are also morally repugnant the way they have increased the spread of STDs.

The disease factor alone is criminal in itself.
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Old 05-23-2009, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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What rights do we have?

And which of those rights come with absolutely no legal restrictions?
If you really want to know what rights we have, I suggest you read the Constitution of the United States. And the Bill of Rights.
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Old 05-23-2009, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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It's also a crime for us to have sex with someone not of legal age or with our siblings.

It's not a crime for two consenting adults who are of the same sex.
I was talking about marriage.
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Old 05-23-2009, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Two adults of the same sex that engage in repulsive activity may not be criminal in a legal sense, but it still is criminal in a moral sense the way their actions have been pushed into the mainstream for the rest of us to be forced to tolerate. Their actions are also morally repugnant the way they have increased the spread of STDs.

The disease factor alone is criminal in itself.
Are you under the false assumption that men having promiscuous sex with women and vice versa cannot also spread STD's?

Another question - would you support criminalizing consensual sex (straight or gay) outside of marriage?
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