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Old 05-23-2009, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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If you really want to know what rights we have, I suggest you read the Constitution of the United States. And the Bill of Rights.
Another cop-out answer. You just toss this stuff out but you can't back anything up, can you?
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Old 05-23-2009, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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By allowing the gay community rights, we will here less about it. Everyone will be happy.
During the five months that same-sex marriage was legal in California last year, everything was calm. People were happy, and there were no protests.

For people in California who voted against same-sex marriage in November, I wonder: How were your lives worse during those five months that same-sex marriage was legal? And now that it's illegal, how are your lives better?
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Old 05-23-2009, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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See, that is why marriage is not a "right," because there are restrictions and standards to meet.
Actually, it was a right here in California until people like you took it away. And now you preach about "standards" and how marriage is not a right.
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Old 05-23-2009, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Actually, it was a right here in California until people like you took it away. And now you preach about "standards" and how marriage is not a right.
No, it was never a "right."
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Old 05-23-2009, 01:20 PM
 
Location: John & Ken-ville
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Actually, it was a right here in California until you helped take it away. Thanks, jerk - I mean, Fleet.
It was never a right. The people voted against same sex marriage twice.

The first time the voters passed proposition 22 in 2000 it was passed by the voters and the State judges stepped in and reversed the law. It wasn't until the Judges usurped the authority of the citizens of this state that it went back on the ballot in November 2008 which the people of California said again that they did not want to recognize same sex marriages in this state.

That's what happened in California.

Domestic Partnerships have been legal in this state for quite some time.
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Old 05-23-2009, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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No, it was never a "right."
That's just your one little opinion. The California Supreme Court said that marriage is a right in their decision last year. When it comes to interpreting the state's constitution, I give more authority and credibility to the Supreme Court judges than I do to you. Sorry.

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Old 05-23-2009, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Another cop-out answer. You just toss this stuff out but you can't back anything up, can you?
I'm not copping out to anything.
Is it really that difficult for you to do some reading?

Of those I can remember, a U.S. citizen has a right to freedom of speech, to keep and bear arms, protection from unreasonable searches, the right to due process and trial by jury, prohibition of excessive bail and cruel and unusual punishment.

Would it really hurt you to read about the rights we have yourself instead of me having to spell it out?
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Old 05-23-2009, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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That's just your one little opinion. The California Supreme Court said that marriage is a right in their decision last year. When it comes to interpreting the state's constitution, I give more authority and credibility to the Supreme Court judges than I do to you. Sorry.

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That was a ruling... judges legislating from the bench. Federal law does not label marriage as a "right." If it was, couples would not need to file for a marriage license.
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Old 05-23-2009, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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It was never a right. The people voted against same sex marriage twice.

The first time the voters passed proposition 22 in 2000 it was passed by the voters and the State judges stepped in and reversed the law. It wasn't until the Judges usurped the authority of the citizens of this state that it went back on the ballot in November 2008 which the people of California said again that they did not want to recognize same sex marriages in this state.

That's what happened in California.
I understand how government works. Maybe you don't. The voters don't have the final word; the courts do. We have a judicial branch of government for a reason. If it weren't for the courts, lots of groups would have been denied rights and privileges in the history of this country.

You can use words like "usurp", but they're meaningless. The judges were doing their job. This is how the system works. Again: The voters do not have the final word!
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Old 05-23-2009, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Texas
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That was a ruling... judges legislating from the bench. Federal law does not label marriage as a "right." If it was, couples would not need to file for a marriage license.
State law and federal law are two different things - as are the U.S. Constitution and a state's Constitution. Those are four separate, distinct, and different documents that define what the people's "rights" are.
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