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Old 05-26-2009, 12:11 AM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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The only reason that would happen is if you chose to live in an area that is economically depressed and socially unstable such that the students that feed into the local public schools are going to reflect that social pool from which they came. If you move to another city that is economically progressive, the public schools are going to be top notch.

The problem is not the public school - the problem is the environment in which the school is located. Even homeschoolers will not perform well if they live in a city that is practically a war zone. I doubt a single mom in crime infested Compton homeschooling her kid will get any better results. But then again, that's for the homeschoolers to prove....that's the kind of data that they have not been able to provide.
Not everyone has the freedom to choose the neighborhood they live in or else no one would be living in the innercities. Why don't you provide us with data that supports your assertions.
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Old 05-26-2009, 12:13 AM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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The only reason that would happen is if you chose to live in an area that is economically depressed and socially unstable such that the students that feed into the local public schools are going to reflect that social pool from which they came. If you move to another city that is economically progressive, the public schools are going to be top notch.

The problem is not the public school - the problem is the environment in which the school is located. Even homeschoolers will not perform well if they live in a city that is practically a war zone. I doubt a single mom in crime infested Compton homeschooling her kid will get any better results. But then again, that's for the homeschoolers to prove....that's the kind of data that they have not been able to provide.
By the way, I doubt that Columbine was in a crime infested innercity and look what happened there ...
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Old 05-26-2009, 12:13 AM
 
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Maybe you haven't directly stated that it should be abolished but you have done nothing but bash homeschooling without any evidence to support your stereotypes. I am just calling you out on that.
My criticism of homeschooling is well founded. It's not based on stereotypes. The responses of the homeschoolers here and in surveys elsewhere bear this out. The motivation for homeschooling is primarily the desire of parents to inject religious indoctrination, followed by aversion to diversity, and then paranoia of the alleged "socialistic" influence of public schools (whatever that means). Improving test scores is not a believable reason for homeschooling, given that many public schools produce top notch students. Public schools in Cupertino CA are among the best in the country, producing many Ivy League bound students, why would you homeschool your kids in such a city?
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Old 05-26-2009, 12:16 AM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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My criticism of homeschooling is well founded. It's not based on stereotypes. The responses of the homeschoolers here and in surveys elsewhere bear this out. The motivation for homeschooling is primarily the desire of parents to inject religious indoctrination, followed by aversion to diversity, and then paranoia of the alleged "socialistic" influence of public schools (whatever that means). Improving test scores is not a believable reason for homeschooling, given that many public schools produce top notch students. Public schools in Cupertino CA are among the best in the country, producing many Ivy League bound students, why would you homeschool your kids in such a city?
More reasons for homeschooling were provided but it seems that you suffer from selective reading or just chose to ignore anything that contradict your biases. May I suggest you do more research before you make yourself look anymore foolish.
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Old 05-26-2009, 12:17 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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My criticism of homeschooling is well founded. It's not based on stereotypes. The responses of the homeschoolers here and in surveys elsewhere bear this out. The motivation for homeschooling is primarily the desire of parents to inject religious indoctrination, followed by aversion to diversity, and then paranoia of the alleged "socialistic" influence of public schools (whatever that means). Improving test scores is not a believable reason for homeschooling, given that many public schools produce top notch students. Public schools in Cupertino CA are among the best in the country, producing many Ivy League bound students, why would you homeschool your kids in such a city?
"injecting religious indoctrination"? LOL. Well, there are parents that do send their children to religious schools too - where, in addition to traditional education (math, science etc), they also get religious education.

Should parents be prohibited from sending their kids to religious schools too?
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Old 05-26-2009, 12:21 AM
 
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Not everyone has the freedom to choose the neighborhood they live in or else no one would be living in the innercities. Why don't you provide us with data that supports your assertions.
Basic rule in debate: the person making the positive assertion has the burden of proof. Since you are the one asserting the superiority of homeschooling, it is your responsibility to provide the proof. Gosh, did you not learn this in college?

I don't have the burden to prove anything. Public schooling is the default position. It is the norm. Homeschooling is the alternative. It is the emerging method of schooling that wishes to replace the norm. Therefore, it is the homeschoolers duty to convince us - by showing scientifically valid data - of homeschooling's superiority.
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Old 05-26-2009, 12:24 AM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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Basic rule in debate: the person making the positive assertion has the burden of proof. Since you are the one asserting the superiority of homeschooling, it is your responsibility to provide the proof. Gosh, did you not learn this in college?

I don't have the burden to prove anything. Public schooling is the default position. It is the norm. Homeschooling is the alternative. It is the emerging method of schooling that wishes to replace the norm. Therefore, it is the homeschoolers duty to convince us - by showing scientifically valid data - of homeschooling's superiority.
My assertion comes as a result of a thread that is calling for abolishing homeschooling so it is YOU guys that are doing the attacking. Homeschooling is legal in this country and it is folks such as you that are calling to make it illegal. So the burden of proof is on you ignoramus.
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Old 05-26-2009, 12:26 AM
 
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"injecting religious indoctrination"? LOL. Well, there are parents that do send their children to religious schools too - where, in addition to traditional education (math, science etc), they also get religious education.

Should parents be prohibited from sending their kids to religious schools too?
Parents can send their kids to religious schools. In these schools, religious subjects are labeled as such. They are not mixed in with science class. The students will know whether they are attending religion class or biology class. There is no problem here.

With homeschooling, parents can very well teach creationism (a religious subject) as if it were a science subject. Nobody will be able to stop them from doing that. There is a problem there.
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Old 05-26-2009, 12:31 AM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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Parents can send their kids to religious schools. In these schools, religious subjects are labeled as such. They are not mixed in with science class. The students will know whether they are attending religion class or biology class. There is no problem here.

With homeschooling, parents can very well teach creationism (a religious subject) as if it were a science subject. Nobody will be able to stop them from doing that. There is a problem there.
What are you? The creationism police? Newflash: Private schools DO teach creationism.
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Old 05-26-2009, 12:35 AM
 
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What are you? The creationism police? Newflash: Private schools DO teach creationism.

Not in science class.
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