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No,no,no YAP, your not going to turn the table on me, I have made my opinion clear, I am not the one on this thread making very provacative statements, lets not put it aside, lets carry it to its logical conclusion!
Well that's fine.
That answer is no. I cannot say that leaving there will fix anything at this point. In fact, I can guarantee it will do nothing.
The time to leave, was right before we left to go there. That's the point.
The first time or the second? At the WTC I mean..there are a number of terrorist attacks on American interests back through the 1980's,,,that is why I say personally I don't think it has as much to do with political philosophy as it does with being an infidel. I'm no historian and I don't claim to be, but the planning of the second WTC attack had to begin long well before it happened. Off the top of my head (as little as it is) and I could be way wrong, the beginning was the murder of Marines in Somalia. It is an ugly thing, but it continued with the U.S. Cole...I can't dig it up now, and really, it doesn't matter for this post. Again, I didn't mean to stir a pot when I put the article up, I'm just thinking folks don't realize what security threats in this Nation exist.
quote by YapCity, "and who did you vote for in 2004?"
For the record, I, a Native Texan have NEVER, EVER voted for ANY Bush for ANY office.
Your twisted logic is getting more and more twisted sadly. BTW, plenty of people that grew up in so-called "red states" lived and died that very day. I knew one girl that was supposed to be on one of those planes that crashed into the WTC that day. I had very close family friends that were in NYC that day visiting their family that lived there. I cried for those people and it did not bother me one bit what "color" of state they came from or their political afflilation. It made it no more easier to understand. Maybe that is the Christian love in me.
That answer is no. I cannot say that leaving there will fix anything at this point. In fact, I can guarantee it will do nothing.
The time to leave, was right before we left to go there. That's the point.
~T
Being in Iraq did not cause the original attack. So, of course leaving would not change much. However, if we gave up our military bases in Saudi Arabia, that would certainly be a step in the right direction.
The first time or the second? At the WTC I mean..there are a number of terrorist attacks on American interests back through the 1980's,,,that is why I say personally I don't think it has as much to do with political philosophy as it does with being an infidel. I'm no historian and I don't claim to be, but the planning of the second WTC attack had to begin long well before it happened. Off the top of my head (as little as it is) and I could be way wrong, the beginning was the murder of Marines in Somalia. It is an ugly thing, but it continued with the U.S. Cole...I can't dig it up now, and really, it doesn't matter for this post. Again, I didn't mean to stir a pot when I put the article up, I'm just thinking folks don't realize what security threats in this Nation exist.
We have been manipulating politics in the Middle East since WWII. We've overthrown governments, supported dictators, built military bases on Muslim holy land, and supported a nation with questionable human rights policies (Israel). We have completely used these people, for decades. They were pawns for our games with the Soviets. And now it's come back to bite us in the ass. To claim that it is merely religious hatred is so short-sighted and intellectually dishonest, it makes me angry.
Being in Iraq did not cause the original attack. So, of course leaving would not change much. However, if we gave up our military bases in Saudi Arabia, that would certainly be a step in the right direction.
Well actually the Kuwait thing is what awakened them, not Iraq. Yes, the bases in Saudi are part of the problem as well.
We have been manipulating politics in the Middle East since WWII. We've overthrown governments, supported dictators, built military bases on Muslim holy land, and supported a nation with questionable human rights policies (Israel). We have completely used these people, for decades. They were pawns for our games with the Soviets. And now it's come back to bite us in the ass. To claim that it is merely religious hatred is so short-sighted and intellectually dishonest, it makes me angry.
Maybe I wasn't clear, I was responding to Yac's ? about why the WTC was hit...sorry for my ignorance..I said I was no historian.
Being in Iraq did not cause the original attack. So, of course leaving would not change much. However, if we gave up our military bases in Saudi Arabia, that would certainly be a step in the right direction.
So in other words america should be sure to avoid any military presence in any muslim country? What do you suppose happens to Israel the minute we pull the jimmy carter, and what about when a country becomes dominated by muslims, where we are present, and they have grown fond of showing the world how we will just leave and get out of their way, say in or near Germany? where do those "steps in the right direction end?"
We have been manipulating politics in the Middle East since WWII. We've overthrown governments, supported dictators, built military bases on Muslim holy land, and supported a nation with questionable human rights policies (Israel). We have completely used these people, for decades. They were pawns for our games with the Soviets. And now it's come back to bite us in the ass. To claim that it is merely religious hatred is so short-sighted and intellectually dishonest, it makes me angry.
Thank you. I literally start foaming at the mouth when I try to discuss this, lol. Thank you for so eloquently explaining my thoughts.
I'll shut up now.
~T
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