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Old 05-30-2009, 11:27 AM
 
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Who on earth would offer a wikipedia entry as a source at any educational inst. formal or informal? Lol.

The articles that wikipedia entries quote, however, are absolutely legitimate sources; they lead to other articles as well.

It's naive to dismiss all the thousands of entries there as unreliable, see my post you quoted for reasons why.

edit - and helenejen's post
As was mentioned, many do. You would be surprised how many people attempt to use it as a valid source. My wife used to tell me there were constant reprimands by the professors to students in her MBA who attempted to use it as a source. Also, there are numerous contests within wiki that leads to arguments over validation and yet often neither contest appropriately supports their contest in a manner to validate it.

Wiki is a source for information, not validated information. It could be wrong, it could be right, or it could simply be someones subjective interpretation on a subject. Thats fine for topical discussions without a requirement of validation and useful for some technical sources for various purposes, but as a form of informing ones self properly on a subject in and how it concerns legitimacy, it is a poor source.
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Old 05-30-2009, 12:56 PM
 
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I believe the world doesn't give us enough to believe in.

So we should look to any possible source of guidance to help us through the messy morass of life.

If Wikipedia does it for you, lovely. If the Church of Scientology is your preference, lovely too.

But it seems these two sources are in something of a credibility saber fight, one in which Wikipedia has dealt the church a wounding swipe.

In a decision that will concern some in Los Angeles, the online encyclopedia has decided to ban all changes to the site made by IP addresses owned or operated by the church and its associates.

The decision shows that Wikipedia's arbitrators were anything but arbitrary. They noted around 430 articles concerning the Church of Scientology and described "persistent point-of-view pushing and extensive feuding over sources on multiple articles."

Wikipedia excommunicates Church of Scientology | Technically Incorrect - CNET News
Oh this is so awesome. That freaky cult doesn't get its way for once. I wonder what kind of behind the scenes threats they will be making.
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Old 05-30-2009, 03:13 PM
 
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Oh this is so awesome. That freaky cult doesn't get its way for once. I wonder what kind of behind the scenes threats they will be making.
Hahahahaha!

(Please be joking.)

edit - sorry, thought you were talking about Wikipedia. Knee-jerk reaction and my mistake! Carry on.

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Old 05-30-2009, 03:44 PM
 
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Oh this is so awesome. That freaky cult doesn't get its way for once. I wonder what kind of behind the scenes threats they will be making.
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Old 02-10-2011, 09:58 AM
 
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Excellent exposés on this nefarious cult-

Church of Scientology: The Truth Rundown & Follow Up Reports. Via TampaBay.com, St. Petersburg Times, June 21, 2009.

The Apostate - Paul Haggis vs. the Church of Scientology. Via The New Yorker, Feb. 14, 2011.
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Old 02-10-2011, 10:04 AM
 
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Tom Cruise says (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0):

"Being a scientologist when you drive by an accident, it's not like anyone else. As you drive past, you know you have to do something about it, because you know you are the only one that can really help."

REALLY? All scientologists are EMTs?
Further proof that Tom Cruise is off his rocker. Go Wiki!
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Old 02-10-2011, 11:27 AM
 
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As was mentioned, many do. You would be surprised how many people attempt to use it as a valid source. My wife used to tell me there were constant reprimands by the professors to students in her MBA who attempted to use it as a source. Also, there are numerous contests within wiki that leads to arguments over validation and yet often neither contest appropriately supports their contest in a manner to validate it.

Wiki is a source for information, not validated information. It could be wrong, it could be right, or it could simply be someones subjective interpretation on a subject. Thats fine for topical discussions without a requirement of validation and useful for some technical sources for various purposes, but as a form of informing ones self properly on a subject in and how it concerns legitimacy, it is a poor source.
Certainly it would be wrong to cite wikipedia directly in a formal setting, but most wiki articles have a bibliography.

It's still a great research tool, even if it shouldn't be a source per se.
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Old 02-10-2011, 11:31 AM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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I believe the world doesn't give us enough to believe in.

So we should look to any possible source of guidance to help us through the messy morass of life.

If Wikipedia does it for you, lovely. If the Church of Scientology is your preference, lovely too.

But it seems these two sources are in something of a credibility saber fight, one in which Wikipedia has dealt the church a wounding swipe.

In a decision that will concern some in Los Angeles, the online encyclopedia has decided to ban all changes to the site made by IP addresses owned or operated by the church and its associates.

The decision shows that Wikipedia's arbitrators were anything but arbitrary. They noted around 430 articles concerning the Church of Scientology and described "persistent point-of-view pushing and extensive feuding over sources on multiple articles."

Wikipedia excommunicates Church of Scientology | Technically Incorrect - CNET News
There's plenty of sources of truth about the so-called "church" of Scientology online.

You don't need to rely on Wiki to find it. They can't zap around every website online to change the truth contained there.

And Wiki should absolutely have a way to control the content on their site.

I've seen pages hijacked with bizarre content and that's the main reason why the info from wiki can't be considered a credible source. Too many hands involved.

I think Wiki should reign in on who can post on their site. It started out as a good idea for free exchanges of information but in the end, it's out of control.

Last edited by LuckyGem; 02-10-2011 at 11:47 AM..
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Old 02-10-2011, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Originally Posted by Miborn View Post
I believe the world doesn't give us enough to believe in.

So we should look to any possible source of guidance to help us through the messy morass of life.

If Wikipedia does it for you, lovely. If the Church of Scientology is your preference, lovely too.

But it seems these two sources are in something of a credibility saber fight, one in which Wikipedia has dealt the church a wounding swipe.

In a decision that will concern some in Los Angeles, the online encyclopedia has decided to ban all changes to the site made by IP addresses owned or operated by the church and its associates.

The decision shows that Wikipedia's arbitrators were anything but arbitrary. They noted around 430 articles concerning the Church of Scientology and described "persistent point-of-view pushing and extensive feuding over sources on multiple articles."

Wikipedia excommunicates Church of Scientology | Technically Incorrect - CNET News

As long as the same rules apply to other religions, that's fair... No Christians get to edit the thread on Christianity, Muslams on Islam, etc.
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Old 02-10-2011, 04:43 PM
 
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Penthouse interview with L. Ron Hubbard, Jr. (http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien240.htmln - broken link)
"Scientology and all the other cults are one-dimensional, and we live in a three-dimensional world. Cults are as dangerous as drugs. They commit the highest crime: the rape of the soul." L. Ron Hubbard Jr.

Lisa McPherson Memorial Page: Killed By The Church of Scientology.
On December 5, 1995, Lisa McPherson was dead on arrival at a hospital 45 minutes north of Clearwater Florida. According to the coroner's report, Lisa was underweight, severely dehydrated, and had bruises and bug bites. Scientologists chose to pass three hospitals en route to New Port Richey Hospital, where Scientologist Dr. David Minkoff was on duty. They could have gone to Morton Plant Hospital, only six minutes away.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCWRbgIkFJ8
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