Gay marriage bans vs. interracial marriage bans (legal, drug, parties)

[jetgraphics]

Originally Posted by karfar

That's a nice thought but in actuality, I truly don't think that's the reason for the hatefulness towards gay marriage.

Any civilization that rewards those who don't procreate and punishes those that do, eventually are replaced by societies that do not.

And IMHO, there is animosity in the homosexual community against "breeders" (especially of the opposite sex), which makes gays the most virulent hate and fear-mongering group.

[Subjective flag on] While attending a gay party of bears, I heard endless "b*tch bashing" jokes and universal disdain toward "breeders". Though, they were more tolerant of lesbians... on principle, bearly.

Among lesbians, aren't "man bashing jokes" popular? Isn't there disdain for "breeder males" and animosity towards patriarchal institutions?

In the gay community, is there equal respect given to heterosexual family values, religion and role models?
Or are they painted as "hate and fear-mongering" opponents, ridiculed for their viewpoints? Don't they try to insinuate that homosexuality is mainstream and dominant, even desirable (NAMBLA, ZPG)?

Ah, the mirror of intolerance and xenophobia faces both ways...


Here's a test of values, supposedly ingrained in all human cultures.
It is the privilege of males to sacrifice themselves for women and children. It's enshrined in the axiom: "Women and children into the lifeboat FIRST!"

It's not "equal rights" but unequal duty. Women hold a superior right to life, based on that value system. And any man who acts cowardly, allowing a woman or child to die, to save his own life, is held with great contempt.

[] Do wives have the duty to sacrifice themselves for their husband?
NO.
[] Do children have the duty to sacrifice themselves for their parents?
NO.

Now, let us think about this:
Do homosexual males feel duty bound to sacrifice themselves for women and children?
Even at the risk to his gay partner?
Do homosexual females expect that all males should sacrifice themselves, for her benefit?
Even if she disdains them?

When you resolve that conundrum, you may better understand why distrust underlies the issue.
Can society trust homosexual males to sacrifice themselves for women and children?
Can society respect homosexual females who disrespect the men sacrificed for them?

[boiseguy]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf88

nope not joking sorry to burst your bubble we are not all alike in thinking.

this just goes to show you.. that if enough people like you got together to put a ballot measure up for a vote... you could theoretically ruin the marriages of people who are different races....

absolutely disgusting....

[karfar]

Originally Posted by jetgraphics

Any civilization that rewards those who don't procreate and punishes those that do, eventually are replaced by societies that do not.

What??? What are you even talking about?

[karfar]

Originally Posted by boiseguy

this just goes to show you.. that if enough people like you got together to put a ballot measure up for a vote... you could theoretically ruin the marriages of people who are different races....

absolutely disgusting....

We're supposed to learn from history & our mistakes, I don't think a reversal on the ability for interracial people to get married would happen, no matter how much those type of people would want it to happen.

[afoigrokerkok]

Originally Posted by karfar

We're supposed to learn from history & our mistakes, I don't think a reversal on the ability for interracial people to get married would happen, no matter how much those type of people would want it to happen.

It would take Loving v. Virginia being overturned and, you're right, the chance of that happening is about .000000000000000001%.

[RayinAK]

Originally Posted by karfar

Of course, this is one aspect of sex. The other aspect is for enjoyment. I don't know about you, but I think 99.9% of the people on this earth have sex w/out thinking a baby will be a result of it or even wanting a baby. And this includes...gasp!...married couples as well.

The enjoyment part of it psychological. A lot of people use drugs to feel good about something, and indication that not all the pleasures are sexual, nor biological. However, sexual pleasure most often takes place before and though intercourse. But this sexual pleasure still is psychological. That's why masturbation, having sex with animals, and all sorts of deviancies still feel good to a lot of people.

[Huckleberry3911948]

i would say that is a stretch friend.
and i am pro civil union.

[Langlen]

Originally Posted by jetgraphics

Any civilization that rewards those who don't procreate and punishes those that do, eventually are replaced by societies that do not.

Proof that American culture will come to this, please.

And IMHO, there is animosity in the homosexual community against "breeders" (especially of the opposite sex), which makes gays the most virulent hate and fear-mongering group.

Can you prove that most of the gay community feels this way? Or are you attributing the actions of an outspoken minority to the whole community?

[Subjective flag on] While attending a gay party of bears, I heard endless "b*tch bashing" jokes and universal disdain toward "breeders". Though, they were more tolerant of lesbians... on principle, bearly.

Among lesbians, aren't "man bashing jokes" popular? Isn't there disdain for "breeder males" and animosity towards patriarchal institutions?

See above comment. If we're going by antecedal evidence, I've not encountered one homosexual person who acts the way that you're claiming they do.

In the gay community, is there equal respect given to heterosexual family values, religion and role models?

If they are treated with respect, then they give respect. You cannot keep on demeaning a group and expect them to just bend over and take it.

Or are they painted as "hate and fear-mongering" opponents, ridiculed for their viewpoints?

Only if they act "hateful" and "fear-mongering" towards the gay community.

Don't they try to insinuate that homosexuality is mainstream and dominant

No, they try and insinuate that homosexuality is acceptable. Which I see no reason to disagree with.

It's not "equal rights" but unequal duty. Women hold a superior right to life, based on that value system. And any man who acts cowardly, allowing a woman or child to die, to save his own life, is held with great contempt.

Which I disagree with.

Do wives have the duty to sacrifice themselves for their husband?
NO.

Why?

Now, let us think about this:
Do homosexual males feel duty bound to sacrifice themselves for women and children?

Possibly.

Even at the risk to his gay partner?

My wife comes before anything else in my life. I'm sure the same would hold for a homosexual couple.

Do homosexual females expect that all males should sacrifice themselves, for her benefit?

If they follow the "societal standards" as you so eloquently put above, why shouldn't they?

Can society trust homosexual males to sacrifice themselves for women and children?

They should.

Can society respect homosexual females who disrespect the men sacrificed for them?

Only if you can prove that the majority of lesbians "disrespect" men.

[afoigrokerkok]

This thread, BTW, is not intended to be either "for" or "against" gay marriage. I started it because I've seen the comparison made before and I wanted to hear arguments from both sides.

I believe that comparing the two is a stretch, but I'm interested to hear other opinions.

[nature's message]

I am for interracial marriage and gay marriage. It's none of your business as to whom I marry, simply put.