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Old 06-03-2009, 07:00 PM
 
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Have you ever watched those show on the Discovery Channel about penguins?

Males and females rear their chicks, taking turns.

Out of the millions of species on earth, how many exhibit homosexual behavior? About 400 do - and the pro-gay researchers include in those 400, behaviors like humping and grooming. The behaviors they observed do not all end in copulation, although they try to infer homosexuality.

I would think, all mammals.
I've seen nature shows about chimps and all other sorts of apes exhibiting homosexual behavior, obviously. Everybody knows they do.
But I've also seen both dogs and cats- especially cats- in situations where a more dominant male will basically mount a lesser male and briefly start humping him.
The situations where I've observed this with feral cats (I'm involved in animal rescue), the behavior seems extremely ritualized and more or less symbolic. Often, the aggressor lightly bites the neck of the lesser animal while he's mounting him.
It doesn't seem to me that the dominant animal is particularly getting off on doing this; it seems like an almost formal act used to establish each animal's rank in the hierarchy of the group.
The dominant animal is simply showing that he's the boss.
The lower-ranking animal generally accepts this treatment meekly and compliantly.
I've seen this... I don't know, maybe half a dozen times, while observing various groups of cats which include multiple adult males.
It seems to be normative behavior for them.

I really wouldn't be surprised if nearly all mammals do this sort of thing.
But I don't think it's necessarily at all about sexual gratification, at least not when it comes to cats. Dogs, maybe.
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Old 06-03-2009, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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Even if homosexuality didn't occur in other animals, so what? Humans obviously are different in many ways.

I think the new argument should be this: Even if someone chooses to have homosexual attractions (a preposterous notion, I admit), why does it matter?

The concept of "unnatural behavior" is outdated. I think we're moving into much more of a live-and-let-live" society.
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Old 06-03-2009, 07:07 PM
 
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Default Its in the water.

Seeing how it was also recently stated in the news that municipal drinking water worldwide is polluted with medicines including sex-altering hormones and the fact that these are penguins being raised in a German zoo (located in a city) in which no doubt the water they drink likely has estrogen content, this is not surprising. The male fish in the Potomac are taking on female characteristics due to the dumping of birth control and other medicine into the river -- ask any fisherman. Extend that to humans...ya see a connection?
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Old 06-03-2009, 07:08 PM
 
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Even if homosexuality didn't occur in other animals, so what? Humans obviously are different in many ways.

I think the new argument should be this: Even if someone chooses to have homosexual attractions (a preposterous notion, I admit), why does it matter?

The concept of "unnatural behavior" is outdated. I think we're moving into much more of a live-and-let-live" society.

Oh! Was somebody implying that if homosexuality doesn't occur in animals, it shouldn't occur in humans?
Yikes. I haven't read the whole thread.
If that's their premise, it's pretty silly.
Animals routinely engage in a lot of "natural" behaviors- such as eating feces, or eating their own young, or incest- that humans would do well not to mimic.

I hardly think that whether or not animals engage in homosexual behavior is at all relevant to whether people should.

I didn't realize some people were actually making that connection.
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Old 06-03-2009, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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Seeing how it was also recently stated in the news that municipal drinking water worldwide is polluted with medicines including sex-altering hormones and the fact that these are penguins being raised in a German zoo (located in a city) in which no doubt the water they drink likely has estrogen content, this is not surprising. The male fish in the Potomac are taking on female characteristics due to the dumping of birth control and other medicine into the river -- ask any fisherman. Extend that to humans...ya see a connection?
Considering that homosexuality has been observed in societies for thousands of years, I think your theory is a bit of a stretch.
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Old 06-03-2009, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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Oh! Was somebody implying that if homosexuality doesn't occur in animals, it shouldn't occur in humans?
Yikes. I haven't read the whole thread.
If that's their premise, it's pretty silly.
Animals routinely engage in a lot of "natural" behaviors- such as eating feces, or eating their own young, or incest- that humans would do well not to mimic.

I hardly think that whether or not animals engage in homosexual behavior is at all relevant to whether people should.

I didn't realize some people were actually making that connection.
No, no, I don't think anybody made that argument. I was just playing a Devil's Advocate role. The anti-gay crowd is complaining about the comparison between homosexuality in humans and its existence in the animal world (of course, they'll complain about homosexuality no matter what!). I'm just pointing out that even if it didn't exist in non-humans, that wouldn't negate the (mostly accepted) fact that it's normal and natural for humans to have same-sex attractions.
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Old 06-03-2009, 07:16 PM
 
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I suspect these "gay" penguins may have also engaged in hetero behavior.
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Old 06-03-2009, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Even if homosexuality didn't occur in other animals, so what? Humans obviously are different in many ways.
Really? I Thought we were animals!
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Old 06-03-2009, 07:21 PM
 
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Also, note that the hatching of eggs is a natural role for male penguins. Not so natural in other species. Why is this so readily overlooked by so many posters?
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Old 06-03-2009, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Even if homosexuality didn't occur in other animals, so what? Humans obviously are different in many ways.

I think the new argument should be this: Even if someone chooses to have homosexual attractions (a preposterous notion, I admit), why does it matter?

The concept of "unnatural behavior" is outdated. I think we're moving into much more of a live-and-let-live" society.
yeh its ALL good, marry a dog, a horse, an iguana....

French kiss a cat, and then eat its young.

We should all be more like animals, cuz then we wouldn't have a conscience and we could all be okay.

No right or wrong.

I could attack my neighbor for pissing in my yard......and kill him if he looked at my girl...horse...cat...iguana..

Live and let live....

Until ofcourse someone kills the one you love,,,,, then that would be wrong
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