Obama's Speech in Cairo (Iraq, Palestinians, Israeli, Taliban)
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Surely you can understand that he is trying to speak to people who DO believe the Koran is a holy book.
Yes, as I said, he was playing to the crowd. I was in Saudi Arabia for over ten years and spent a year in Iran during the Shah's time. I found that Moslems generaly know more about the Bible and Christian theology than the average Christian does. They respect a belief in God in those of other faiths, but can see through hypocrisy and despise atheists. I am not suggesting that Obama is not sincere in his faith, but he has said things that make his beliefs unclear and seemingly contradictory. This would cast doubt on other things he says. He has reversed himself on many things already in just these few months (do I need to cite some Google results for that? ) and is beginning to look weak and indecisive to me (and presumably others-no online source for this either).
Would the goal of the speech have been achieved if he had not acknowledged at least a basic understanding of Islamic values or not touched on issues that are important to Muslims?
Anyone doubt the Christianity of Pope John Paul II?
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Only the Bible is holy. Not the Koran, or Bhagavadgita, or Tibetan Book of the Dead, or Sai Baba or Rajneeshes writings.
You are about 40 years behind the theological thinking of progressive Christians.
From Vatican II
"Religions, however, that are bound up with an advanced culture have struggled to answer the same questions by means of more refined concepts and a more developed language. Thus in Hinduism, men contemplate the divine mystery and express it through an inexhaustible abundance of myths and through searching philosophical inquiry. They seek freedom from the anguish of our human condition either through ascetical practices or profound meditation or a flight to God with love and trust. Again, Buddhism, in its various forms, realizes the radical insufficiency of this changeable world; it teaches a way by which men, in a devout and confident spirit, may be able either to acquire the state of perfect liberation, or attain, by their own efforts or through higher help, supreme illumination. Likewise, other religions found everywhere try to counter the restlessness of the human heart, each in its own manner, by proposing "ways," comprising teachings, rules of life, and sacred rites. The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men.Indeed, she proclaims, and ever must proclaim Christ "the way, the truth, and the life" (John 14:6), in whom men may find the fullness of religious life, in whom God has reconciled all things to Himself.(4)"
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The Bible proclaims that Jesus is the Son of God. The Koran denies that Jesus is the Son of God. Both cannot be true.
Well you are on shaking ground here since there are more than enough contradictions within the Bible to cause its veracity to be called into question.
[/quote]Obama has stated that he is a Christian. His words deny that claim.[/quote]
Only for the religious extremist be they Christian, Muslim or whatever. Most of the rational religious works have adopted a broader sense of ecumenicism, which even as a permanently "fallen" Christian and the son of a theologian seems to strike me as being a bit more Christ like.
Deusianne provided Cairo speech transcript:
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Thanks for the transcript but I listened to his speech; I try to hear them all, he is, after all, our President.
Delusianne said "They all know perfectly well he is a Christian."
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I would be comforted if I knew that with assurance.
I'm not against Obama; he is the Captain of the boat we are all in. I wish I could advise him on a few things though. I don't think he's getting good counsel. Anyway, don't bother responding, I'm done here. Thanks for your opinions.
You are about 40 years behind the theological thinking of progressive Christians.
I am. In fact, about 2000 years behind, and thank God for it!
But I didn't mean to turn this into a religious thread. My point is that Obama seems to try to be all things to all people and that won't work.
I said I was going and I really am now. I pray that Obama will receive good counsel and sound guidance. I believe he is a good, decent man that is in a bit over his head. Who wouldn't be?
I am. In fact, about 2000 years behind, and thank God for it!
But I didn't mean to turn this into a religious thread. My point is that Obama seems to try to be all things to all people and that won't work.
I said I was going and I really am now. I pray that Obama will receive good counsel and sound guidance. I believe he is a good, decent man that is in a bit over his head. Who wouldn't be?
If you can come up with those 'link or links to articles or videos that illustrate your claims, "[t]he world is snickering at us in derision right now", and "[Moslems] see the contradiction in what he said"', I'd be much appreciative.
I am. In fact, about 2000 years behind, and thank God for it!
I dare say that god had little to do with anything, by the way, do you still confine your wife to a hut during her menstrual cycle?
Leviticus 15:19
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My point is that Obama seems to try to be all things to all people and that won't work.
I guess he is just one of those foolish Christians, atoning for sins, seeking forgiveness, seeking peace, you know ye who is without sin, judge not lest ye be judged that kind of silly stuff.
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I believe he is a good, decent man that is in a bit over his head. Who wouldn't be?
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